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The hatred towards cyclists/horse riders etc

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RH1234 · 06/08/2025 17:53

Following on from a conversation on another thread; AIBU to think that the hatred towards all cyclists/other road users I.e. horses is completely atrocious and unjustified.

Lots of people will make comments about “I bet they were in Lycra”, “I dislike road cyclists”, “they don’t even pay road tax”.

My question is not; do you hate cyclists. My question is why do you hate me someone you have not met) as a cyclist?

For perspective:

  1. I pay VED (Road tax doesn’t exist) on 3 vehicles.
  2. I have insurance for my bikes - which includes public liability etc. My cycle insurance is genuinely more expensive than my car, I also have free insurance through British Cycling.
  3. I don’t run red lights (for transparency, I have been through one red light, floor sensors don’t pick up carbon fibre, it was 5am, after waiting a few minutes, with no cars I went through)
  4. I cycle an average of 19-23mph, I can overtake tractors near me, I’m smaller than a tractor surely you can pass me.
  5. I do ride two abreast if in a group, but if passing is difficult, as per the Highway Code we ensure you can pass when safe.
  6. When riding on my own, I wave cars past so they can often go before they can see.
  7. Yes I wear Lycra - but you try cycling 100 miles without decent chamois in place. I won’t mention leg hair as that’s a whole different subject for you.
  8. My wife use to love cycling, but won’t ride on the road now due to the drivers attitudes.

AIBU to be annoyed that I don’t do any of the things people moan about, yet people will hate me, some people will hurl abuse, some people will literally try and drive me off the road (luckily not that often for the last one)

All I want is, to enjoy the sport I’m love, get fit and then spend the time with my family. Yet my wife has said to me, she is anxious when I’m out and follows me on find my iPhone, because she’s terrified someone will one day leave me for dead in a ditch.

Surely a two minute delay is not unreasonable? I don’t judge based on hobbies or backgrounds, why am I judged?

AIBU in thinking that those who state they hate cyclists clearly are either media influenced or just plain horrible people.

Apologies, this has turned into more of a rant than a AIBU, but I’m sure you get the gist.

OP posts:
MsTamborineMan · 06/08/2025 19:53

Also if you hate one group of people doing an activity because it mildly inconveniences you, or insist that the road is only for cars, I would argue it is you who's arrogant, not cyclists

Pedallleur · 06/08/2025 19:53

Supersimkin7 · 06/08/2025 19:51

London cyclists are anti-social scum. Aggressive, violent, weird.

Exceptions as always exist, but on the whole they’re riding into paid licensing, ID and increased prosecution. Should have happened already.

Not unless it's mandated and funded

businessflop25 · 06/08/2025 19:53

Atina321 · 06/08/2025 19:43

You are being ridiculous - safety measures are sensible but insurance? Are you also going to require pedestrians to have insurance? Or how old does a child need to be before they need insurance to ride their bike to their friends house?

There aren’t as many bad cyclists as there are bad car drivers. You are far more likely to have a serious accident involving a car than a cyclist.

Yes I think all road users should have a minimum of 3rd party insurance.
I do for my horses both in their own right and myself as a rider.
My dogs are insured which also covers any damage they could ever do.
I am insured for all the vehicles I drive

And your right you are far more likely to be injured as a cyclist than a car driver in the even of a collision so why wouldn’t you insure yourself in case you are the one at fault.
in the last 12 months I have witnessed 3 incidents where the cyclist was at least in part responsible for an accident occurring. I have attended court in the past year to defend a driver who was accused of being at fault in an accident. CCTV and dash cam footage proved the driver completely innocent and the cyclist fully responsible.

Pedallleur · 06/08/2025 19:52

The enforceable rules for motorists are all to frequently ignored. Mobile devices, speeding, MOT, vehicle registration/insurance, parking offences, dangerous driving, driving whilst intoxicated/drugged, driver without a license. I can open any newspaper or do a Google search anytime and I'll find reports of all those offences and more.

twistyizzy · 06/08/2025 19:52

Gloriia · 06/08/2025 19:26

'Your car may dent if you hit a horse, but that horse could easily be killed'

Exactly it's just not a compatible mix is it. Sometimes in life we can't do as we'd like to. When we were kids we used to ride go karts down the road, you rightly don't see that nowadays as it isn't safe.

Cycle in parks or paths, ride horses in fields or woods. All stables have fields they don't tend to be in the centre of built up areas.

And if you ride in the grazing fields you wreck the fields 🙄
All fields are privately owned so it's trespassing if you ride on one without permission.

You are completely and willingly ignorant

Supersimkin7 · 06/08/2025 19:51

London cyclists are anti-social scum. Aggressive, violent, weird.

Exceptions as always exist, but on the whole they’re riding into paid licensing, ID and increased prosecution. Should have happened already.

cornbunting · 06/08/2025 19:51

YANBU at all, @RH1234. It's utterly depressing how many drivers are willing to endanger the lives of others in order to shave a minute off their arrival time, if that.

The few cycle lanes (near me, at least) are frequently poorly maintained, overhung by branches and littered with thorns. Then they join a road at a horrible position and vanish. You're safer on the road from the start.

I love cycling as a mode of transport and a spectator sport, and I wish more of my fellow drivers would exercise a bit of caution. Vitriolic comments aimed at other road users don't help anyone. We're all people, let's try and keep each other alive.

The Tour of Britain (men's race) is happening in early September: I, DH, and our daughters will be going to cheer on our favourite teams and hopefully see some of our favourite riders. We went to cheer on the roadside last year and had such a fun time among other cycling fans.

Serencwtch · 06/08/2025 19:51

RH1234 · 06/08/2025 19:27

Wow, far more replies than I expected to reply to. Again, I apologise for not quoting everyone that I’m going to try and reply to now.

Also, I do appreciate your replies and comments, some are just the same moaning points that are irrelevant for me, but I get the frustration as I get frustrated by these things too.
But so far far none those pointes relate to me, which means some of you just potentially don’t want me to go home to my family. So appreciate your honesty.

Start with the easy one: car tax, it’s been abolished. You pay VED.

Mw waving people past, this tends to be when there’s an anxious driver, they tend to appreciate it
or
I wave people past when on very narrow straight roads that mean a driver has to pass me with less than a metre (no stopping places). I wave to indicate I’ll stay as far over as I can to make the drivers life easier. These driver tend to be very appreciative.

Cyclist riding for fun/exercise whereas car drivers are going somewhere so should give way. What happens if you are driving to the gym, does a car need a special light to say I have no priority?

BMW drivers, damn, I am one of them too!

Horse comments, love these, we have 4. Our horsebox is our third vehicle - gosh that can be slower than me cycling in the countryside.
I do agree horse riders pull over more, but they are going much slower than cyclists.
on the horse front/cyclists, I get super angry at cyclists that ride straight past without slowing to check the horse is ok first.

Dark clothing, trust me I am visible, my light on the rear is very bright, no different to a pedestrian walking.

I would also like to add, out of the thousands of miles I ride, 95%(not statistically accurate, but a guess) of drivers are courteous and nice towards cyclists. I’m just trying to find the theory behind the 5% who couldn’t care less if I died on the road tomorrow.

I would highly recommend a helmet camera. I have a Techalogic mainly for horse riding & occasional cycling.

Also operation Snap/nextbase dash cam portal (called different things in different police force areas)

Submit all unsafe passes & other careless, dangerous & inconsiderate behaviour.

About 8 in 10 of my submissions result in positive action from police (warning letter, course, points, fine, court)

They can raise their silly arguments condoning dangerous behaviour with the police & courts.

MsTamborineMan · 06/08/2025 19:51

I've recently started cycling more and the way car drivers treat cyclists is literally insane

Overtaking on blind corners, near head on collisions. Overtaking with a tiny gap I.e not even pulling over across the line. It's really opened my eyes to how dangerous and impatient a large proportion of drivers are. And I understand a bit more why cyclists can get irate

Generally the cyclists and horse riders round me are fine, I see very little poor behaviour. And I don't see how you can say someone who you don't interact with, barely see the face of is arrogant.

Our planet is burning, half our country is overweight. People still take their cars for 3-4 mile commutes, and we criticise people getting outside, doing excercise. Cycling is good for you and good for the planet and I don't think its fair to criticise that or make it harder for people

Anchorage56 · 06/08/2025 19:50

Atina321 · 06/08/2025 19:43

You are being ridiculous - safety measures are sensible but insurance? Are you also going to require pedestrians to have insurance? Or how old does a child need to be before they need insurance to ride their bike to their friends house?

There aren’t as many bad cyclists as there are bad car drivers. You are far more likely to have a serious accident involving a car than a cyclist.

Well who would have thought a car would cause you more serious harm than a push bike.

Anchorage56 · 06/08/2025 19:47

RH1234 · 06/08/2025 19:44

This is my point, I probably am nuts, but it’s not contagious… I hope.

I'm asking why people treat others with hate based on the actions of others that isn’t necessarily something that other person does.

That's just life 🤷‍♀️ most will simply see a cyclist ahead and think oh no a cyclist, oh no im going to get held up. A bit of frustration nothing more. Anyone who gets angry at you is likely an angry driver in general and would get annoyed at other road users. Dont take it that they hate you personally!

beAsensible1 · 06/08/2025 19:46

FrangipaniBlue · 06/08/2025 19:31

I’m a competitive triathlete who has represented my country - should I only train (often doing 25mph) on cycle tracks then?

Go to a velo. The local road is not a bloody race track

Atina321 · 06/08/2025 19:45

QuarkQuarkPoshDuck · 06/08/2025 18:00

Gold star for you.

You are a minority though. So many cyclists seem to think the road laws dont apply to them, or cycle with headphones, or ride on pavements to avoid lights, or just jump the lights. And that is why they are disliked.

As for horse riders, it depends what they're doing, but other than going from the stables to a bridleways I'm not sure why you'd want to be on the road. I grew up in a horsey area and we didn't ride on roads.

Some cycle paths use pedestrian crossings - many of the ones near me do.

AcquadiP · 06/08/2025 19:45

I don't hate either group.

I used to ride horses so I know what it's like when car drivers get uncomfortably close to the rear of the horse or too close to the side of the horse when they drive past. They seem unaware of how dangerous a horse can be when it spooks or kicks. On one occasion I lost my cool with an idiot - who was repeatedly revving his engine at the rear of my horse as we crossed a narrow bridge wide enough for one horse or one car but not both - that unless he wanted an imprint of my horse's substantial arse on his bonnet, he should back off. He did.

I drive carefully around horse riders, cyclists and motor cyclists because all are vulnerable to substantial injuries, or even death, if hit by a car.

I think what you've encountered is a minority of idiotic, entitled drivers who think they own the roads. They behave that way with everyone including other drivers. I'd try not to take it personally.

RH1234 · 06/08/2025 19:44

Anchorage56 · 06/08/2025 19:41

Your starting to sound a bit nuts. Why would someone hate you personally when they dont know you. People will get annoyed at something in general, not you specifically unless you do something wrong.

This is my point, I probably am nuts, but it’s not contagious… I hope.

I'm asking why people treat others with hate based on the actions of others that isn’t necessarily something that other person does.

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Atina321 · 06/08/2025 19:43

businessflop25 · 06/08/2025 19:35

I honestly think there should be a lot more enforceable rules for cyclists.
Wearing a helmet
wearing hi visibility clothing
wearing lights
No cycling in groups larger than 6
no racing on the road
no illegally closing roads to host said races
pulling over if your holding up traffic for more than 5 minutes
wearing something identifying like a registration number so issues can be quickly resolved
being insured min 3rd party liability
no carrying young children on bikes or in those trailer things on national speed limit roads.
all kids to also be wearing helmets and hi vis
for what it’s worth I think the same for horse riders and for pedestrians walking in the road
no waving on other road users

Edited

You are being ridiculous - safety measures are sensible but insurance? Are you also going to require pedestrians to have insurance? Or how old does a child need to be before they need insurance to ride their bike to their friends house?

There aren’t as many bad cyclists as there are bad car drivers. You are far more likely to have a serious accident involving a car than a cyclist.

TheSummerof25 · 06/08/2025 19:43

I’ve ridden, ran and cycled on the roads and I definitely feel most vulnerable on a bike.

What I don’t really understand is why anyone thinks it’s ok to intimidate and compromise the safety of another road user on the basis they don’t think they should be there. How is that ok? They might not like it, or agree with it, but that doesn’t mean you can just run people off the road or whatever!

RH1234 · 06/08/2025 19:42

businessflop25 · 06/08/2025 19:35

I honestly think there should be a lot more enforceable rules for cyclists.
Wearing a helmet
wearing hi visibility clothing
wearing lights
No cycling in groups larger than 6
no racing on the road
no illegally closing roads to host said races
pulling over if your holding up traffic for more than 5 minutes
wearing something identifying like a registration number so issues can be quickly resolved
being insured min 3rd party liability
no carrying young children on bikes or in those trailer things on national speed limit roads.
all kids to also be wearing helmets and hi vis
for what it’s worth I think the same for horse riders and for pedestrians walking in the road
no waving on other road users

Edited

For your benefit, what I do(as I said I asked why people hate me, not all cyclists)

Wearing a helmet ✅
wearing hi visibility clothing ✅❌50/50, in poor weather absolutely, otherwise lights do a good enough job.
wearing lights ✅
No cycling in groups larger than 6 ✅ don’t like big groups
no racing on the road ✅❌cycle events aren’t races if the road isn’t closed
no illegally closing roads to host said races❌✅ I’m not the police nor council
pulling over if your holding up traffic for more than 5 minutes ✅ never happens
wearing something identifying like a registration ✅ my bike is pretty identifiable and I have my name on it? Does that help?
number so issues can be quickly resolved❌ can I have your mobile number please? If I have an accident I’ll happily exchange details though.
being insured min 3rd party liability ✅ £2m public liability on specific bike insurance
no carrying young children on bikes or in those trailer things on national speed limit roads. ✅
all kids to also be wearing helmets and hi vis✅ I’d agree on high viz for my DD on school commute

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Anchorage56 · 06/08/2025 19:41

RH1234 · 06/08/2025 18:19

Sorry if haven’t quoted you directly.

I appreciate all your comments, even those justifying ‘their hate’.

Interestingly no one has given a reason to hate me personally. Yet I guarantee there will be at least one person that wouldn’t think twice about swearing at me, or passing with inches to spare.

I’m not going to go into what annoys me about drivers, yet I don’t hate all drivers.

I need to go shopping, so will go quiet, but rest assured I’ll be back haha

Your starting to sound a bit nuts. Why would someone hate you personally when they dont know you. People will get annoyed at something in general, not you specifically unless you do something wrong.

Serencwtch · 06/08/2025 19:41

Gloriia · 06/08/2025 17:56

Both are justa hazard aren't they. Ride a horse in the woods and ride a bike on a cycle track. Neither should be on roads imo.

I don't hate either but they irritate me a lot.

You could drive your car on a motorway though - horse riders & cyclists aren't allowed there.

Everyone has somewhere they need to be.

Cyclists, horse riders, carriage drivers & pedestrians have the right to be on the roads - all other users are only there under the terms of their license (which includes observing the highway code)

Covsouth · 06/08/2025 19:40

twistyizzy · 06/08/2025 18:30

Like I said, roads are safe for horses. It's entitled arrogant drivers who make them unsafe.

@twistyizzy not always. Some horses simply aren't safe to be on the road. I was thankfully well back from a couple of riders recently. This was despite the road being very quiet. A van emerged from a driveway between high hedges and the rider had no control of the horse as it shot sideways and bucked and half reared across the road.. If I'd been passing it at that point (as I could have) there would have been an accident,. I'd kept well back as I could see the rider wasn't great,, her only ability seemed to be to clingy on. I grew up in the countryside and know how to take care around horses but she should not have had that horse on a B road with a 60 mph speed limit. .

businessflop25 · 06/08/2025 19:40

In my experience pedestrians, horse riders and slow moving farm vehicles all do their best to pull out of the way of cars as soon as is safe to do so. the vast majority of cyclists do not. Indeed many seem to take great pleasure in holding cars up for as long as possible.

mellongoose · 06/08/2025 19:40

All those people saying that horses should be on the bridleways, horse riders wholeheartedly agree with you.

You can help by supporting the British Horse Society’s campaign. Thanks!!
https://www.bhs.org.uk/support-us/our-campaigns/project-2026/

Atina321 · 06/08/2025 19:38

Daisy12Maisie · 06/08/2025 18:00

The big city where I live has narrow congested roads. Driving is difficult enough. When there are bikes as well it such a hazard as it makes it so unsafe. Due to that I think it is so selfish. There are cycle tracks around the city. I don’t think bikes should be on the roads certainly not in the circumstances above.
I suppose you could argue maybe bikes could take priority and not cars etc but I have to drive to work. Shift worker and have a lot of work equipment so can’t get the bus.

Why do you feel you are more entitled to use the road? Yes you have equipment but some cyclists also have to commute and carry stuff (I have a pannier with my laptop and lunch) so just because you also have to get to work why should you take priority?

In fact it would make your life easier if more people cycled as it would free up the road space for your ‘essential’ journey.

Again it all centres around perceived entitlement.

notquiteruralbliss · 06/08/2025 19:37

I assume it is lack of patience or (in the case of horses) awareness of what 700kg of flight animal landing on your car would do.

I drive and ride horses on the road to get to bridleways. If there are cars behind me I let them past if at all possible. Most motorists are fine, butbsome Darwin Award nominees seem to think speeding past on a narrow lane is fine despite the Highway Code stating that 2m clearance and a max speed of 10mph is required when passing horses.

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