Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

You didnt answer my question. So answer that first.

Again, what are your thoughts on the five million pounds that Irish doctors received in payouts from pharma companies?

A very well written post, although a difficult one to read. Agix has explained it better than I ever could. But really, OP - the bottom line is you sound resentful of people who (probably as a defence mechanism) tried to come to terms with their size and not be forced into a slough of self-hatred. Now you seem to resent them because there’s an ‘east’ solution, and they’re rushing to take it. In the kindest possible way, what difference does it make to you either way, OP?

Nevertheless, I wish you both well x

More than one person has responded to that.

That poster was me.

Lets assume your non evidence is proof that pharma companies bribe doctors, just to shut you up. Can we move now to the part where you evidence that your mum was purposely misdiagnosed in order for her doctor to receive a direct payment from the makers of a drug she didn't need.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the doctors receiving 5 million in secret payouts from pharma companies in Ireland?

No one has responded to that news article yet. Strange that...

This. I feel the whole body positivity movement to a large extent has in a way gaslite so many people into thinking they were happy and healthy, when really they weren't. Some yes. Most no.

I used to be fat. I was miserable most of the time. I wasn't living life. I lost 100lbs naturally and now I'm a size 8-6. I can't bear to look at old photos of myself. They make me want to cry.

Are you blind? Or is there something wrong with you?

I was replying to the poster who asked me to provide evidence that pharma are bribing doctors.

I was replying to her.

Her post is still there! Read it!

That was me that wrote that. I still haven't seen evidence of that.

Big pharma companies marketing their products to the people that prescribe them (whether ethically or unethically) is not evidence that a doctor is being bribed

See my post above. I'll say it again. You were asked for evidence your mums doctor was bribed to misdiagnose her in order to prescribe her a med she didn't need for a backhander payment. 0 evidence of this so far. Or even evidence doctors are being bribed. Just that pharma companies have faced penalties for poor marketing practice.

You are lying and anyone can read back and check.

A poster wrote this to me about news articles:

"Just one that actually shows DOCTORS are being BRIBED will do.

I replied specifically to this poster with a link to an article

Not the good 'uns who looked past it. Of course I've had good friends through weight gains and losses

But there's a LOT of people out there who I didn't really dislike, they were just in my outter orbit, UNTIL I lost weight and then suddenly I have value to them! Now I actively dislike those people, and it's just one of many examples of how life CAN be a little happier in some ways when you're fat Vs thin (specifically ex fat type of thin)

Jesus you are horrendous. I wouldnt want to meet you in real life. Disgusting

I was asked to provide a link to show that pharmaceutical companies are bribing doctors.

In general. There was no mention of WLI in that poster's post. And we had already been talking about doctors bribing pharmaceutical companies in general.

When i provide a link showing exactly what i was asked to provide, slme posters hate that i could actually provide the link for what was asked,
so they then change the subject to something else

No, you said your mother was misdiagnosed purposely by a GP, in order to prescribe her medication she did not need, in exchange for a bribe from a pharmaceutical company.

That's the only thing you've been asked to 'prove'. And you've not done it. You've gone off on a tangent about the marketing practices of pharma companies. One does not equal the other. I want to see evidence of the scenario you mooted, no more or less. Which if it happened should be insanely easy. It would have been local news, if not national, when the GP was struck off for breaching many parts of their code of practice.

Agree, how can paying for an expensive drug forever be a good idea for weightloss? Its like botox as soon as you stop the wrinkles come back. There has to be a bad pay off internally surely? My sister did the injections, lost 2 or 3 stone in what seemed like weeks, it all came back when she stopped taking them as she could no longer afford it. Unsustainable and very un natural.

Oh that's really sad, sounds like you've had a really tough time from 'friends' and associates being overweight.

You do remember what thread you're on? No?

Why not go and start one about your Ma's BP meds if you are no longer even trying to tenuously link that to weight loss

If you’re not talking about WLIs, maybe start a new thread to discuss? This discussion (fight) is completely derailing this one.

This bun fight about bribing Drs is very interesting and all, but as most people are reaching out to private pharmacists to purchase WLIs I’m not entirely sure it’s hugely relevant here?
Yes companies are marketing the product. Yes people are influenced by marketing. No, that doesn’t negate the benefits of WLIs for those taking them.

What are you on about.

I never said that the article had anything to do with WLI injections.

We are talking about doctors receiving bribes from pharmaceutical companies in general.

I was asked to provide a link showing this, and I did.

I can only speak for myself. I have been obese since primary school, first went to weight watchers when I was 11yrs old, and weighed over 11 stone by that point. My weight matched my age until I maxed out at around 21/22 stone.

The first bullies decided my weight was fair game and I should be tortured for it when I was 8, they kept switching out for new bullies and new ways to make my life miserable until I left college at 18, but any gaps were filled by random strangers hurling insults out car windows as they drove past or calling me a fat ugly bitch for no reason at all as I walked down the street on a night out.

I tried over and over and over and over again to , every diet, every doctors suggestion, I was desperate to not be a target. But publicly and verbally I maintained a happy go lucky, oh so positive attitude, I put on a big personality persona, I made sure I was the best at my job, I was the one everyone wanted to work with, I gave them no reason except my fatness to dislike me or see me as inferior.

Then last year after ignoring all my health symptoms because I was too busy being the best at work, and knew that the answer would just be ‘you need to lose weight’ if I went to the doctors, I got really poorly. Eventually I realised I needed to accept the flack from the Docs and seek help, and in was immediately diagnosed with T2 diabetes, my sugar level were so high I was at risk of losing consciousness and I was immediately put on Insulin.

Following that intervention I was prescribed Mounjaro by the diabetes team and since Sept last year I’ve lost 5 stone, gone from Obese to Healthy BMI, size 22/24 to size 10/12. I am much happier and healthier now, more relaxed, I feel less pressure to be perfect and no one has hurled abuse at me for the way I look for months, strangers are actually nice to me now.

So that’s why I used to harp on about being happy. I was trying to convince myself and the world that I was.

There is a huge difference between being a sales rep and giving bribes.

I have posted yet another article above of how pharmaceutical companies are bribing doctors.

Lol at you choosing a country that's been YEARS BEHIND most in WLI roll out. They've only recently gone on public sale there! I think Mounjaro has only been available for a few months there!

Another example is wedding invites

Fat: people act relieved if you RSVP no
They'll chase your RSVP early but it's always phrases like "no worries if you can't come we just need to know the final numbers sooner rather than later" - actively inviting you to decline.

And there's no repercussions when a fat woman declined, nobody cries to their aunties who then phones you up to ask why you aren't coming.

Declining when you're slim though, in the first instance it's assumed you ARE going. So when you decline it's 😯 and their aunties tell your aunties how upset the couple are that you can't make it ... People try to problem solve your excuse. Suddenly you have babysitters coming out your ears so you can make it after all!

You are stepping into a light that you might not have asked for when you slim down.

And honestly, I think it's made me deliberately regain weight whenever I've lost it before.

WLIs really shine in the maintenance stage though and I have been able to use them to keep me going through the adjustment periods where before I woulda gone "f-CK this I don't really want this"!

Here is one.

The title is "Irish doctors received 5 million in secret payments from drug firms"

https://extra.ie/2020/01/05/news/irish-news/doctors-secret-payments-drug-firms

No way have I got a first class degree?

Lol.

I will just look at my Degree cert and laugh at your crazy posts