Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

Yes she was every ones different but sometimes when one says something everyone digs in for no reason.

I could always lose without WLIs, maintenance was my issue

But the losing had to become obsessive. I fought hunger the whole way. I would have convince my brain that feeling hunger was pleasurable / desirable / winning. It had to be ED mentality even if I wasn't under eating too drastically calorie wise. It was never sustainable

Because I was NEVER NOT HUNGRY. If I ate a sandwich for lunch, it felt like I had eaten nothing all day. So I would add crisps, a banana, a coffee, a juice, just to feel like I had eaten SOMETHING. Anything at all. 3 coffees after that just to keep me going through the afternoon.

I felt the same at 9 stone as at 13 stone. It did not go away just because I pushed through it and lost weight.

All I'm doing by taking WLIs is making myself feel how YOU feel, if you eat a normal breakfast, a normal lunch, a normal snack and a normal dinner. I couldn't even achieve that level of satisfaction by OVER eating without WLIs.

I expect to be on WLIs long term
If you don't get it, well, see how YOU feel? That's all we are aiming for on WLIs

I’m about 10st ish overweight.

I’ve got there with a binge eating disorder due to trauma, very high levels of stress, ingrained emotional eating, interoception issues (I never feel full), and possibly a large dose of my life is so shit that nothing I can do to myself can make it worse.

I don’t know anyone with that much weight to lose who doesn’t have deep seated psychological problems which manifest as binge eating. And there lies the problem of losing it. When you have a stressful life and the only thing that brings you comfort is food, it’s nigh on impossible to lose weight and stick to it - as studies have shown.

Mounjaro is like a miracle drug to people like me. I’ve noticed there’s a real taboo about being open about it, because some can react nastily, like you’re taking an easy option, and we all know that there are people out there who’d rather see really fat people suffer as their punishment for daring to be fat. For some though it’s the only option.

Sounds very unlucky.

Plenty of online sources suggest they are. Two digestives then? One and a bit bananas? A bag of ready salted crisps?
My point is that one small snack a day above you calorie requirements is a stone gained per year.

okay.

No i wont, last time i spoke up on MN about it i was torn down so i wont do that again.
But my sister is going through a hell of a time with all the above and i tried to tell people about it on hear.
But got abuse instead.

People have been getting botox and filler for 25-30 years without issues. But okay then I will wait for the crash.

a 223g apple is around 116cals, so not far off

Correct about it not having disastrous long term side effects.

Sounds like you’ll be pleased when that happens!

Correct about what - prices coming down? No guarantees obviously but history suggests that's what will happen.

Skinny jabs botox and fillers will all come crashing down in the end.
When a lot of people wake up about it and realise its not all what it seems.

1 large apple is not 134 calories.

Where you say "I wouldn't be able to eat that much" ....

That's exactly the whole point.

Nobody who needs WLIs was eating BEYOND satisfaction.

They're not feeling full.... THEN STILL EATING, like you would have to if you were to aim for obesity

You are not the same
You are not walking around with the same food feedback loops happening in your own body
Therefore what works for you could not work for us

Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

No-one gains 10 stone in weeks though, it takes years. If it takes 10 years (using myself as an example) then it's just 134 calories over your TDEE per day. That's one large apple.
Some people will have gained a lot of weight through binging on pizza and chocolate but plenty of other have slowly gained for years.

My biggest self sabotage is that people start to treat me better when I’ve lost weight, and it never makes me think “phew, I’m losing weight, isn’t this lovely” it makes me think “you bunch of fuckers, I was the same person when fat, you’re just judgemental wankers” and put the weight back on. Just to spite them. (Not totally but I’m not ruling that out!).

I think it might be because, given the lack of available evidence to the contrary, people do not believe that doctors are accepting bribes. It's an incredibly serious accusation to make, one which would result in immediate dismissal.

In the UK, prescriptions tend to be for the generic name, not a brand name. For example if a Semaglutide was prescribed by a doctor, the pharmacy you choose would either prescribe Ozempic, Wegovy, or Rybelsus. In that case, it wouldn't be possible for the doctor to know what you end up with. Any more than if they say 'take paracetamol', they won't know if you end up buying Nurofen or Tesco's own. So there is no way for a particular pharmaceutical company to know if they can pay an individual bribe to an individual doctor.

The articles you've posted are a bit more general than this, they're saying the pharma companies are engaging in poor marketing practice. Perhaps trying to encourage doctors to prescribe their drugs, yes, but certainly not by offering a pay per pill bribe. Pharma companies are often inherently unethical but that isn't the same as saying either the drugs are therefore not effective or required.

In one breath you say you can't imagine being obese

And in another you declare that you can say with authority that obesity is a choice, same as being a bit overweight in a way that's easily fixable with a bit of the ol' traditional diet n exercise

Gaining a few pounds and getting a bit tight in the waistband is not the same as living with obesity.

You don't become obese simply from having a run of celebrations in a row, or not hitting the gym over the school holidays

It's not the same process with the same factors feeding into it!

"Didnt get the reaction i hoped for".

Lol. Imagine me sitting here "hoping for a reaction".

Eh, no i wasnt.

i was asked to provide facts and i did.
That was enough for me.

I hope you are correct.

I didn't go to University in the U.K.

But I just looked up what they call it in the U.K.

I am looking at websites about degree grading in the UK, and some say a first and they also have (1.1) in brackets, so apparently the term is also used in the U.K.

Yes it's evolved, move on, you've said your piece and didn't get the reaction you hoped for.

You keep asking the same questions but wanting different answers.

You're going round in circles whilst the rest of us are trying to have some sort of on going dialogue

I absolutely detested being fat. It was never a positive body

Thank god for that!