Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

So what do you think is the difference between you and me?

If we have both been targeted by the same marketing.

I have a higher level of education than Batchelors (since you find that relevant to this)

Why might I decide to take it when someone else might decide not to. And why does only the latter indicate any sort of critical thoughts process to you?

Lets not forget, Not only did the makers of ozempic spend money on marketing in the UK,

the makers of Ozempic also got suspended from the British pharmaceutical Industry ABPI for

"serious breaches of the code of practice"

Fuck me this is ridiculous. I know I’m influenced my marketing, everyone is, without exception. I’m a chartered marketeer.
I also know that this drug has worked for me, with real, tangible benefits. My health indicators have all improved.
The fact that money has been spent on marketing does not mean that it’s not a valuable medication. Just like someone marketing travel insurance doesn’t mean it’s not a useful product.

Or people are just telling you the real, tangible ways it’s worked for them in the face of someone telling them that they only think it’s worked for them.
Why are you so reluctant to believe that this is a valuable medication for many people?

You only read the parts of posts that suit you don't you?

Personally I've listed many criticisms as well as benefits, it's almost as if I weighed up my decision!!! but that doesn't fit your "profile" of WLI users does it?

As long as you have no medical contraindications, you can order it online from a pharmacy privately with a BMI of 30 or above. If you have a weight related condition like diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol etc then you may be approved with a BMI of 27 or above.

on the NhS the current eligibility criteria are BMI 40 or above and 4 weight related medical conditions, or T2 diabetes that has failed to adequately respond to 3 standardly prescribed diabetes medications,

You have to have a BMI of over 30 to qualify (or over 27 from certain ethnicities or with certain co morbities). This doesn’t mean you’re eligible to get it free on the NHS, it just means you’re eligible to purchase it from a licensed provider, provided they deem it suitable for you. The criteria to get it prescribed on the NHS is far more stringent (not sure exactly what it is, I purchased mine).

You don't have any kind of degree. No one I know ever refers to it as a 'Bachelors' degree, and I worked in academia for over 10 years. And neither would they ever write it down as a 1:1 either. It's known as a First.

You clearly just hastily googled 'What is the top degree?' or similar and copied and pasted it into your post.

No, you have to have an obese BMI to buy or to get it on the NHS, but the NHS threshold is higher

You can qualify with a slightly lower BMI if you have certain obesity related co morbidities, but again you have to be much worse off for NHS Vs to buy

God its like a cult.

If anyone criticises WLI in any form, the users go crazy

If people think it's worked for them? Why did you feel the need to put if in there? Why would you not expect people to know that it's working for them?
I've dropped 4.5 stone on it, which is great in itself. But I've also dropped over 15% body fat and 8% visceral fat and as confirmed this week reduced my blood glucose back into the normal range from prediabetes.
No ifs, tangible improvements to my health.

If you are not influenced by marketing, why did the pharma company have to pay 22 million to get WLI's promoted in the UK?

You are very influenced by marketing.

How overweight do you have to be to qualify anyway? Does qualify mean you get it free on the NHS? and if you dont qualify can you just buy it? Even if you are not overweight?

More silly teenagers language.

Imagine using language like that about other medical treatments?

Of course there's side effects. Nobody should take it if they aren't at higher risk not taking it than taking it. That should form the basis of any medical decision

Obesity is dangerous.

I was shopping for flipping mobility aids before taking WLIs! THATS bloody dangerous

We’re all just influenced by marketing apparently. None of us know our own minds, can form our own opinions, or know that it was worked for us based on various health indicators. We must be stupid because we (were) fat, despite some of us also having first class degrees 😉

Fuck me, you are so dismissive and unwilling to concede that your bolshy all or nothing approach may not have been completely right.

I don’t ‘think’ it has worked for me. I have a years worth of 3-monthly blood tests showing a steady improvement in my HbA1C, my cholesterol levels, my liver function.

i have a years worth of weight records showing a steady decrease in my weight, a steady increase in my muscle mass, a steady decrease in my visceral fat.

No one is asking you to take these medications, you have no skin in the game, why is it so important to you to make everyone think that they are a con?

Well its up to them.

All i can do is think and express my cynicism.

How about the many many threads of people who dont and have found it life changing?

Yes it sucks that if you pay you qualify for it at a lower BMI than if you can't pay for it. Having to tip BMI 40 when there's a drug that could prevent you from getting to that, IS a cruelty

If she was in the WLI field, could that have been what she meant?

Because you've extrapolated from your one example to "they'll come crashing down" instead of accepting the literally thousands of accounts of people who are losing slowly and sensibly, in low doses, eating a sustainable diet and reversing poor blood results and other problems. By all means urge caution, reputable supplier, consult Dr etc but to use your one anecdote as gospel evidence is not the right approach.

I do think it is dangerous though.

There is a huge hype and buzz going around about WLIs. It is the "thing" to do at the moment.

People start using them because they hear about the hype and buzz, they are influenced to use it.

Then you see the many many threads on mumsnet of people who suffer very bad side effects on WLI

I really dislike the language you use about people that use WLIs

"Fawning" is what teenagers do over K-pop stars

Grown adults enthusing about a health tool should me more of an adult conversation with adult language

I don’t think it has worked for me, I know it has.

If people think it has worked for them great.

I'm very cynical these days.

I was talking to a woman who worked in pharma sales (i met her through a group and we bevame friends) and she told me she was making huge money in pharma sales? but she had to leave after a while, because she couldnt live with her conscience of what they were doing to innocent people's health.