Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

Not entirely sure why I'm tagged here?

Yes obviously diabetes existed in the 60s.

And yes, that's what I'm saying, calorific food is much more available and easy to come by. That's why so many more people (myself included!) find it hard not to eat too much.

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Of course you do. But it's much less hard.

If it wasn't a hell of a lot easier to lose weight with weight loss injections then no one would need to take them.

I hate being fat, and the prospect of me losing weight and keeping it off is realistically very low, so I try to be positive about who I am and limit how much I hate myself, and I’m certainly not open about that to others. People are dicks about fat people, I don’t need to join in.

Knowing there’s a drug that’s available that not only has other benefits other than weight loss is like suddenly having the equipment to climb a huge mountain, without which I’d barely make the foothills and keep sliding back.

It is a disease. Usually a self inflicted disease, but it is medically speaking a disease. Like alcoholism and drug addiction. They are self inflicted diseases of the body. Recognising that obesity is a disease and has long term effects even after weight is lost doesn't absolve individuals from their responsibility for becoming obese in the first place.

I don't hate my body but would consider the jabs. It's not about appearance. I'm fine with how my body looks but there would be some health benefits to losing weight. I have lipodema and weight doesn't come off easily plus I have issues with food.
What I loathe is people who get on the jabs and then start judging other people and making their whole identity about being thinner.

Hormones can make a huge difference. I was diagnosed with polycystic ovaries in my 20s, which seem to disappear after having my first child. I am now having symptoms again, apparently not enough for a diagnosis/treatment, but it has impacted my ability to lose weight.

If the people saying this are in the public eye then losing weight is good for your career as it brings lots of attention. It means being photographed and interviewed more. You might start being invited to fashion and beauty events and get “better” work because you’re skinny. Lots of jobs go for the person with the highest social media followings and a drastic image change will bring more business.

Okay, so for arguments sake, if you're obese from eating uber organic food, grown in your own garden, you are still choosing to consume excessive amounts of it. And you choose to do this despite knowing that obesity causes Type 2 Diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, increased risk of strokes, kidney disease etc.

Yet you baulk at using WLIs?

You have to diet and excercise even if taking WLI. Do people not even bother to read about things before bumping their gums about them?

Most people don't like to be fat.

They don't like dieting and exercising though either.

If they are given a solution that allows them to get thin without the pain of dieting and exercise then they will take it.

Otherwise they have to put up with being fat and make peace with that.

Not really difficult to explain.

It's cope. Unless they have a fetish, nobody likes being obese. Fat positivity is fake toxic positivity. I'm sorry but that's reality. I hated being obese, there's nothing to like about it. It looks awful, it feels awful, you can't do lots of things and it shortens your life. Fat positivity is a lie.

@RunSlowTalkFast My grandmother had gestational diabetes in 1964, and died of T2 DM related illness over 30 years ago. Plus of course the availability and promotion of cheap, high density foods is going to effect societal consumption.

Do people share the same outrage about the rise of childhood respiratory complaints and it’s correlation to the incidence of cars on the road?

Yes, we should really start considering compulsory don't be a fuckwit sessions to tackle this sort of behaviour. It's becoming endemic.

Just seems odd that decades ago there weren't that many obese people but now calorific food is everywhere and very easily accessible loads of people are obese but it's because of a sudden upswing in hormonal issues and definitely not because people are eating a lot more than they think.

I'm 5'2, in my 40s, currently about 11.5 stone, losing weight at 1700 calories.

Perhaps I have more muscle due to strength training but I wouldn't have thought it would make 100s of calories a day difference.

Comparison to smoking is such a bad idea - there is nothing good about smoking. Remember these medications are also prescribed for diabetes so alarmist posts about future harms could be upsetting.

Every medication is new at some point and it takes decades to fully evaluate their benefits and harms - so should we stop developing new medicines?

I agree that people probably use body positivity as a means of deflecting and of self-protection. But also - nothing on SM is as it seems so I can’t get too worked up about it.

Maybe those people are confident about their bodies no matter how fat or thin they are? Which is pretty admirable, in my opinion.

We live in a deeply fatphobic society (just look at some of the comments on this thread). Nobody will be more aware of that than a fat person. You're telling me you can't see why someone given the opportunity to lose weight and be more acceptable by society's standards wouldn't take that opportunity, having spent their whole lives being treated differently because of their body? Even if that person worked really hard to feel confident before?

I'm all for body autonomy and positivity. If that means someone choses to love their body as is then that's great. if that means someone decides to lose weight, then so be it. It's really none of my business, and I'd suggest you stop looking to other people's confidence to bolster your own.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10159347/

Possible to love your body and take measures to be healthy?

Honestly as an overweight person I do admire people who are slim ans toned at my age. It takes discipline and work to maintain a good level of fitness and not succumb to eating too much.

Best comment on the thread. The intellectual laziness of the “eat less/run around more” cult never ceases to amaze me.

I think that there is a very large difference between

(1) having a personal positive mental attitude and not letting the negatives get you down (whether that is your rusty old car or weight or the fact your friends have drifted away) on the one hand,

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(2) celebrating bad things on the other. Pretending that you would not swap your rusty 20 year old car that breaks down every other week for a newer model. Pretending that you never liked having people to talk to anyway.

Body positivity (combined with realistic beliefs about health implications) from a PMA point of view is great... trying to create a world where obesity (which kills) is celebrated is, on the other hand borderline evil, IMHO.

It's all for more followers and likes. They have an audience and want people to relate.

These are not new drugs. They’ve been around for 20 years.

OP - It’s because you’re looking on social media where people post positives.

I have a friend whose husband is hugely overweight. He's also one of those people who is oblivious to how much he eats. she has tried to get him to think about this, but he doesn't. As a lot of his weight is on his middle and he definitely is eating more than he should but NOT the sort of excessive amount you would expect to see with a man this overweight, she would like him to tae the drugs.

He read one thing, in passing, about possible impact on th epancreas and is refusing to even consider it.

People liek him, and you, just show your ignorance regarding how weight loss works, how the injections work and what actually causes obesity.

That’s interesting. I know two people “on the pen”, both were overweight for many years, both did hardcore regimes to shed stones, were delighted but then went back to square one on the scales. For them the jabs are a godsend as neither was happy (or healthy) at the weight they were.