Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

Don’t be ridiculous!

Sorry about the quotation marks: they weren't meant to suggest I don’t believe in food noise, just to highlight that it was that particular thing I was referring to.

I guess if - as you said - you just don't realise it exists and you've got it, people might well think anyone who's slim is having a miserable battle with it all the time, whereas they're just not thinking about food.

Speaking as fellow fattie here ! I accept my body for the amazing things it does, fat or thin. I appreciate that my size doesn't define me. Of course Ideally id like to be slimmer and I honestly don't think id ever be slim without meditation. I work out 2 hours a day, 5 days a week and whilst I'm athletic I'm overweight. I just enjoy food and the gym makes me so insanely hungry, I couldn't lift the weights I lift without fuelling my body. Not love but accept.

Food noise makes sense to a lot of people but of course its a useful term to market WLI

I would constantly think of food even when eating or feeling full I would be planning my next meal or when I will eat. And I would always carry around food with me just in case i got hungry which was simply not necessary I do not have any allergies and rarely am I far from a shop. The though of being hungry was extremely distressing (trauma related, but what ever the reasoning its such a relief to not live with this anymore)

I never did and would not accept that I did not look fat and would get annoyed when I was called curvy. Yes i was curvy but still fat and I have been curvy when very slim. Promoting very overweight woman as having a curvy figure is not good, being very over weight is unhealthy its as simple as that

I was fat, I looked fat and I look a lot better now nearly four stone lighter

And I am much healthier

Oh, dont mention "Food Noise" it doesnt exist, thats another lie by big pharma to get people to buy WLIs. I dont have it = it doesnt exist 😉

The food noise thread KICKED OFF 😂

Even those being supplied by the NHS will be saving them money in the long run from not being treated for inevitable obesity related illnesses.

Your post didn’t come across as snarky. Just exceptionally sanctimonious.

You were implying that people using WLIs are costing the NHS money. For the vast majority this is untrue. Did you know this?

I think so much of the narrative around this is skewed. We should focus on wellbeing instead. There is too much inappropriate moral judgement tied up with 'fat' and 'thin'.

There is a long list of things which are harmful to wellbeing, including:

• Being overweight/obese.
• Not exercising sufficiently.
• Poor nutrition.
• Extreme anxiety.
• Social exclusion or stigmatization.
• Insufficient leisure time/access to hobbies.
• Stress/overwork
• Not having a strong family and/or social network.
• Loneliness.
• Poverty or financial difficulties.
• Addictive behaviours, whether this focuses around food, alcohol, drugs or anything else.

All of these things are linked together. It will be much easier for someone who isn't prone to addiction, has sufficient sleep, in a good financial position, with plenty of leisure time, access to the outdoors, hobbies and a strong social network, to maintain a healthy weight.

If someone is overweight but they are also exhausted from long working hours, don't have a strong support network, feel anxious and lonely etc., it's going to be much harder for them to lose weight, even if this would lead to increased overall wellbeing. But a first step for some people might be to make a conscious decision to appreciate themselves, appreciate how amazing they are and how much they achieve in their daily lives despite difficult circumstances and focus on enjoying life and increasing their mental wellbeing and prioritise this over immediate weight loss. And it might feed into a positive cycle that makes long-term weight loss easier.

I'm on the jabs....prior to this I was never particularly into body positivity...I was always trying to lose weight. Having said that I have never hated myself. Even when I'm fat, I quite like myself. I have a nice face and scrub up ok. I think it annoys people a lot when fat women don't hate themselves.

I highly doubt it. People that don’t have food noise, seem to think it doesn’t exist. Hence why the phrase is often accompanied by quotation marks.

I cant blame people, I didn’t know it existed until I didn’t have it anymore.

I didn’t want to be fat, but I’d made peace with it because trying to loose weight was very difficult and soul destroying and I wanted to enjoy my life. Mounjaro made loosing weight simple. That’s the bottom line, I didn’t have to feel like I was permanently starving or consider every single thing I ate. Constantly monitoring what I ate made me miserable so I accepted myself where I was and how I was. Fully aware of health implications etc etc. I still enjoyed life but losing weight was not my entire existence. Am I happier being 4 stone lighter yes. Do I now have ironclad resolution to not put the weight back on yes.

Presumably, now there are fat people slimming down because their "food noise" has been removed, there'll be more people who understood that many (the majority of?) slim people don't just stay that way by massive self-denial and being permanently starved and unhappy - they just don't suffer from "food noise".

I've seen many posts on MN saying this sort of thing, followed up by something like "I may be fat but at least I'm not starving and miserable. Stick a biscuit in your gob and enjoy yourself!".

Now we find that many fat people aren't/weren't happy about it, maybe it could also be taken on board that many thin people aren't miserable and permanently hungry?

Eta Sorry if this exact thing has already been said. I've skim-read the thread but could have missed it.

I wasn’t being ‘snarky’ I was stating my point of view from my experience……thought that’s what MN was for……sharing experience and points of view.

I hear you. I too am a big fat lazy cheat! Or, in my better informed and less judgemental opinion, am someone who's found a brilliantly helpful tool that helps level the playing field a bit, so I can do what all the people without deafening food noise and mad blood sugar levels could do all along. It's so much easier eating in a sensible calorie deficit when I'm not shaky and close to passing out on the way home because my blood sugar levels have plummeted.

For those who have no experience of WLI, trying to eat anything greasy or have more than 1 or 2 alcoholic drinks usually ends up with some side effects.

The poster who clocked her 'friend' eating a burger and chips and commenting, she probably did enjoy it, but may have had some side effects and perhaps didnt have much else to eat that day.

Its very hard to eat much on WLI and you have to eat well and exercise a lot to see changes.
HTH.

Agree, things you are happy with you don’t tend to mention , or when you are happy in yourself you don’t tend to mention things about yourself. If you compliment yourself a lot you are usually compensating I find.

my mum in law who was overweight used to always say, apropos of absolutely nothing I never eat sweets/chocolate. Err that’s great thanks for that, what do I say, well done? Oh and ignore the big box of Maltesers you have on the floor next to the sofa!

Exactly this! Can’t fathom anyone hearing from a smoker or heroin addict who’s used chemical assistance to change their lifestyle and the response being “mmm but nothing to be proud of, you didn’t suffer to get there”

People generally do have a lot to say about something that has literally changed their life and in lots of cases, saved their life. I honestly don’t know why you can’t understand that.

I suspect that was where that was going, yes.

Never mind that I’ve spent a year re educating myself about my diet. Eating healthily, turning down treats and going to the gym 4x a week. I even exercised daily in the hotel gym whilst on holiday this summer! My body is the healthiest it’s been in my entire adult life. But no, I shouldn’t feel proud of myself because I’m a lazy cheat!

I do very much have weight issues actually but the jabs are not for me. I'm glad they work for some people but I'm not sure why we need to hear so much about them. Maybe half the people posting work for one of the companies selling them, nothing would surprise me on here any more!

I hear what your saying OP. I followed a few curvy women on Instagram. They were champions for real women and dressing to feel good and flatter your shape. They weren't very overweight just your average size 12/14 mums. They made me feel good carrying a little weight myself after 2 kids and perimenopause . I got lots of inspiration from them and great ideas for clothes. Now they are super skinny and it does feel like it was all a bit dishonest. Probably a bit of jealousy on my part too but this whole everyone needing/wanting to be skinny feels like we've regressed back to the 90s. I'm all for obese people taking the jabs for their health but there are so many average sized people now not to mention celebrities who have no weight to loose in the first place taking them.

I was putting in the effort to eat well and exercise, for the last 16 years. Usually I'd lose a stone, get fed up of restricting myself for months at a time and put it back on again.

Before taking mounjaro I was averaging about 1700 calories a day, doing two weights sessions and one cardio session in the gym a week, plus two yoga classes, walking every day (have a dog and also walk on my commute). Eating any less seemed impossible and even keeping to that was hard. I was eating plenty of green veg, lots of protein, lower carbs, plenty of fibre, moderate alcohol. I was taking a month to lose a pound and my weight was really just static, my BMI was 29.6.

With mounjaro I'm able to average 1400/1500 calories a day, do the same exercise regime and have lost nearly two stone, though it has still take me five months so far- though I am now just about at normal BMI (25.1) and don't have much to lose so it will be slower. I feel I can keep going for as long as I need to without feeling like I'm starving myself and I hardly get any side effects.

I'll keep calorie counting/tracking food for another six months at least when I come off it and stick to 1800 calories which should be about maintenance for me, and of course stick with the exercise. Also high impact exercise like running is much easier now I'm lighter.

The scathing language (skinny jabs) around weight loss injections points towards some people (interestingly, never those taking them) seeming quite resentful. It’s interesting.

Ultimately, they’re going to save a significant amount of people from weight related morbidity and early mortality, probably saving the NHS (who don’t pay for them) a fortune.

There’s nothing wrong with people being happy with how they look, albeit fat, thin or somewhere in the middle. Even if some of that is a bit delusional. What do you want op, the less than perfect to be hidden away, self flagellating?