Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

Pharma company finances have been well documented with regards to funding conferences, training etc. I have a stack of post its and pens with all sorts of drug names on them that I will probably never get through in my life. My favorite is my Prozac stapler.

The statement was made for a GP prescribing a medication wrongly in order to personally benefit.

Back to the thread.

I am currently two stone down and it is very noticable. I plan to stay on WLI for life when I hit maintenance. As I previously said, I eat very little, I am almost alcohol free and I was piling on the weight. My biggest future risks to my health are various cancers if they are passed down to me and I can help to try to avoid this by maintaining a healthy weight and looking after myself as best I can. I was deeply unhappy being fat and I at no point felt it was good for me or felt empowered by it.

I was happier being thin. But I wasn't happier during the process of becoming thin, so staying big was the better option. I think Mounjaro has joined the two for me this time, I prefer being slimmer and I prefer the journey now it isn't all consuming. Maybe your friend feels the same?

“the drug is marketed as "you were not able to lose weight without taking this drug, you will only be able to lose weight if you take this drug".
Everyone i know that is taking mounjaro, is saying that they want to take it for the rest of their life, as they are afraid that if they stop, they will put the weight back on”

If you’re obese, statistically you will not lose weight and keep it off. Maybe this is being used as a marketing ploy, but study after study has shown this to be true.

I’m seriously considering mounjaro, the main reason being that I’ve spent the last 40 years yo-yoing between 14 and 20 stone. I’m at an age where my obesity gives me a poor prognosis even with no other factors.
The drug has been used for long enough to know that it’s safe.

I tend towards being sceptical about big pharma’s antics, and I really do think there needs to be better regulation, but in the case of weight loss injections I feel I am likely to live a longer, more fulfilling life if I can lose the weight and maintain it.

I lost weight back in 2010 anbd got down to 8 stone size 8 - and my Facebook friend said “well I’m happy being fat” - she was 5ft2 and 13 stone. Now she’s had Mounjaro, looks much slimmer and better and says it’s the best thing she’s ever done!

Totally agree. Any supposed shady dealings don’t take away the fact that these are fantastic drugs. As I said upthread, the evidence of that is clear to see.

@pamelanoon my thought are that if you really think your mum's Dr is doing something illegal / unethical you'd be reporting them to the BMJ. I am also not naive enough to think that pharma is anything other than big business but that the products they make also help / cure etc. I'm not sure why you think your mum's case is some kind of gotcha against those who are using WLI to carefully reduce their dangerously overweight BMI. One thing doesn't cancel out another.

Still here and putting in a request for some evidence to back up the claim you made about your mums doctor lying about her diagnosis in exchange for a bribe 🙏

What do you think the gotcha is with the pharma company paying healthcare professionals? They’re a company trying to promote a product, probably as ethical as nestle promoting formula milk to mothers in the third world. Doesn’t mean formula milk doesn’t work, or that Ozempic doesn’t work. Just that the companies are trying to maximise profit.

What are your thoughts on what I posted about the pharma company that make Ozempic?

That they paid 22 million to UK healthcarw professionals to promote Ozempic in tne Uk.

That they got suspended

That after this, they got into trouble again for making payments to healthcare professionals.

You haven't written your thoughts on this yet. I would love to hear them.

That's fine, but I don't know why you want to discuss something that you don't know much about, or why anyone would think your view is noteworthy. Lots of people are on lifelong medication. Why is this different? Also, you don't need to lose weight forever. Once you are at your target, you need to maintain only which is a different process. The tablets now coming onto the market are less effective than MJ but may do the trick to top up GLP1 levels enough for maintenance. Now that discovery has been made it's application I'm sure will widen. Lots of people on MJ have reported a reduction in other issues such as joint inflammation allowing them to walk and exercise more.
There's really no point taking a stance on anything if all you know about it is from media articles or AI generated clips of them or one or two anecdotes.

No I won't be exiting stage left, as I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

Look you're really not doing yourself any favours here. Are you aware your critical thinking skills are non existent? You've inadvertently wandered in to a debate among people who are educated and genuinely knowledgeable about WLI. Perhaps best if you just exit quietly, stage left.

I think it's possible for both to be true, to love yourself, dress well and be confident when overweight but also want to use mounjaro /try and lose weight for the health benefits and because clothes do often hang better and you have more choice.
As PP said they aren't mutually exclusive.
The most important thing is to show kindness and respect no matter what size someone is.
I think its good to show people of all shapes and sizes on adverts, TV, film etc
When buying clothes it's great when they are shown on different size models so you can get more of a grasp on how it would look like on you.
I hope body positivity wasn't just a fad but continues.

You never bought a good product from a bad shop?

Big pharma can be corrupt and all about money, and also produce end products that are actually good for us.

Same as you can buy healthy foods from a bad environmentally polluting supermarket.

You've lost your way somewhere way back along the way of your arguement against people taking WLIs

I think if it’s found to be bad practice, they should be fined.

I think if as a result of this, doctors are being found to prescribe it to patients who don’t need it, in exchange for backhanders from pharma companies as you claim is happening - they should be struck off and prosecuted for fraud and potentially assault.

the reason I’m focusing so much on your mums case is because you brought it up as an example of how doctors lie to exploit patients and make money and you’ve as yet provided no evidence. It’s a hugely serious allegation which needs proof.

No, because yet again you’re completely substituting one fact for another.

If the findings of that study were true, they would have 217 trusts with unexplained payments.

Not 217 doctors who have purposely misdiagnosed patients & prescribed them drugs they don’t need, in exchange for a bribe from a pharmaceutical company.

They would have to strike a lot of doctors off, seeing as when the BMI investigated, 217 trusts were found to have received unexplained payments.

In any other organisation you would be fired for accepting bribes.

In the NHS, it is brushed under the carpet.

Yes, it’s fantastic. Well, mounjaro is which is what I’m on. The results speak for themselves. And not just for weight loss but for treating diabetes and potentially lots of other conditions.

So fantastic that the makers of Ozempic were suspended from an organisation,

and so fantastic that the makers of Ozempic had to pay doctors in the UK millions to get them to promote it to the UK market....

This nonsense has really derailed the thread. What is your point, exactly? Even if big pharma are shady as fuck, it doesn’t mean that WLI aren’t a fantastic, life changing medicine for millions of people.

You still haven't answered my question.

What do you think of the 22 million pounds that a pharmaceutical company paid UK healthcare professionals to promote a weight loss drug in the Uk?

I’m not aggressive, I’m just not swallowing up your fairy stories and asking for you to back up what you’re saying.

You aren’t supplying me with facts about the case you’re trying to prove happened.

If I claim, men have landed on the moon and then send you articles about landings on Mars, that doesn’t prove my point does it.

The reason I’m going on and on about your mum is because I completely disbelieve you and that’s why you went off in search of article to back it up. But what you’ve come with is evidence of potential bad practice in the pharmaceutical industry, not that your mums GP misdiagnosed her & deliberately prescribed her something she doesn’t need in exchange for a bribe from a pharmaceutical company.

You are very defensive because of all the facts that i am supplying. You are getting backed into a corner.

Why is my mums case, more important than the 22 million that a pharma companu paid to healthcare professionals to promote a drug ? That is a proven fact

Yet you keep going on about my mum over and over.

Reply about the proven facts in the article. What do you think of the 22 million paid by a pharma company to healthcare professionals in the UK to promote a weighy loss drug?

God you are an aggressive individual.

Ive pointed out multiple articles where health professionals have been found to be receiving payments from pharma companies.

Yet you still dont believe that it happened to my mum.

Fine, dont believe what happened to my mum.

Lets look at the article that i posted. What do you think about that pharma company paying 22 million to healthcare professionals in the UK to promote and market Ozempic.

Do you think that was a conflict of interest?

Ok? They were suspended for bad practice, they clearly aren’t good actors. Doesn’t make the story about your mums doctor any more true than when you posted it the first time.