Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

You often see 50 stone people? Often? That's an incredibly rare weight to reach. I'm working on a weight loss TV series and 50 stone, or 700 pounds, is considered such an outlier that it means that person would automatically be signed up.

I have to visit nursing homes regularly. I often see 40 or 50 stone people of 40 plus years old stuck in there because there is literally nowhere else for them to go.
What a great life that must be. Stuck in a home at 40 until they die surrounded by dementia residents.

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that we should be ignorant to the effects of obesity!

It's more that the PP said that obese people will die... but so will everyone else. I would probably qualify for GLP-1s, but I wouldn't take them because I don't want the side effects (short- or potentially long-term). I also hope not to end up in a nursing home - a massive aneurysm in my sleep will do, thanks!

I am far from morbidly obese but I am definitely larger than I should be, I do not love being fat, I hate it, I would much rather be slimmer, fitter and healthier....

But I also love shit food, I love crisps, I love full fat milk especially milkshakes, I love melted cheese... I accept that this is a trade off and that I will be slightly larger than I would like in exchange for getting to enjoy the things I want to eat. I have a cut off weight that if I hit I will go on a health kick drop a chunk of weight and spend the next few years slowly creeping back up again.

I was chatting to my SIL who manages a nursing home about that just the other week @CherryAlmondLattice . She said larger clients tend to come into their care much younger due to earlier declining physical health/mobility and managing care with dignity can be difficult when needing hoists to lift in/out of bed/onto toilets etc, regular toilet accidents while waiting for staff/hoist. She is a larger woman herself (she has been advised not to take WLI due to heart issues she is waiting on referrals for) and says to shoot her before she ends up in a nursery home!

Side effects from any medication is a risk that needs carefully weighed up with the consequences of doing nothing for health and quality of life now and in the future.

Life leads to death. We are all going to die eventually. There are people of all shapes and sizes in nursing homes.

Yup

Do you think fat people should walk around feeling shit about themselves for daring to exist op?

GLP-1s have liberated me from the flesh prison I never pretended to love.

A lot of people conflate being able to look good/ want to look good when you are larger with loving bring larger. I'm not sure that is what many people actually say/ feel. I got big with health issues and kids. I never said I liked my size, but that did not mean I didn't want to make the best of what I had. Over the last 2 years I have been working to lose the weight - I feel and look much better. Honestly the feeling better is the biggest thing. Would someone look back at a nice picture I took at 12.5 stone and say now I'm back to just over 9 stone I'm turning my back on a movement I was never part of?

A lot of this narrative seems yet another way to police how women look and feel about themselves.

Obesity and its related morbidities lead to almost certain death. So its hardly a lifestyle choice.

They were being positive despite being fat, not because they loved being fat.
What should they have done?
Put a gun in their mouth?
Locked themselves away in a darken room away from decent thin folks?
Publicly flay themselves for being fat?

And low and behold along comes an almost miraculous tool which can help them be heathier, change their lives immeasurably for the better and become socially acceptable to thin people......

And you are amazed that they use that tool. Seriously?

It's funny the strength of feeling re WLIs. I have a relative who's morbidly obese and got really angry about their GP bringing them up, won't consider it. Meanwhile I have another relative who used them for a short period and has successfully kept the weight off. Seems to me they are a useful tool but of course no-one is forced to use it. I agree with pps though that the level of anger about other ppl using it or it even existing in the first place seems very odd.

I'd say it was because surgery is huge and drastic and irreversible, the pills that were around a few years back seemed to have a very common laxative side effect which is obviously unpleasant. MJ is a tiny subcutaneous injection with (for many) no or few, mild side effects. You can stop immediately and it clears your system in a few days if you don't react well. They're not the same.

I’m sure they worked well for some people who took them but they obviously weren’t the ‘cure’ for the weight problem as lots of people were still overweight and struggling.

I understand perfectly why some people don’t want to take WLI. I don’t care what people do or don’t do. If someone doesn’t take WLI it has zero impact on my life, likewise if they do take it.
I’m just pointing out that it seems many people are interested in WLI much more so than surgery or the pills.

You’re definitely over invested in my indifference. At no point have I suggested I care what anyone else is up to regarding WLIs. My point alone was that there are plenty of reasons that people aren’t taking them.

There have always been people trying to lose weight by what they feel is the best means. Look at the people travelling to Turkey and Eastern Europe for budget bariatric surgery and the follow up aesthetic surgeries if it works.

(Actually I do, I just want them to admit it’s because they don’t want other fatties to lose the weight 😉)

I understand why people don’t want to use them. I don’t understand why they object to other people using them.

Again, not my specialist subject, but bariatric surgery and diet medication have definitely worked for plenty of people. I’m not sure why people have a hard time understanding why people wouldn’t want WLIs either 😂

I’m not acting that way at all. I’m response to the poster saying people aren’t interested in WLI the same way they weren’t interested in surgery or pills I just pointed out that more people would be interested in the injections over the other two. One is surgery and the pills - do they even work? People who chose not to have surgery are taking the injections so obviously they see it as less risky. Not risk free. There’s a difference.

What's a skinny jab? You mean weight loss injections? Where did they state this? You can love something whilst also changing it.

The side effects of HRT usage for me have been a lot worse than Mounjaro. I’ve had side effects with the pill, antibiotics, morphine I was given during a c-section. I had a horrendous reaction to the Covid vaccine.

No medication is without risk but Mounjaro seems to come with it a huge wave of negative opinion.

I have a background in drug development so I do know how to evaluate the risks and I still take medication.

I’m confused about the long list obesity cures that came before WLI? What were they? Which ones have taken off like WLI? Because I can’t recall a single one that had the same success or popularity than WLI. I’ve certainly not used any obesity ‘cure’ before this one.

Look, if you don’t want to take them, no one is forcing you to. But don’t be salty because lots of people are using them successfully to reduce their weight. If you choose to remain overweight - that’s your choice. But it just makes you look jealous and silly to be concerned about others using them.

You can't legally / above board obtain WLIs unless you demonstrate your clinical need to the prescriber!

I think that you’ve just misunderstood what I said. I compared these injections to the long list of obesity cures that came before them and the fact that not everybody was on board with those either. Someone else came and said “oh, but they were dangerous” and I pointed out that side effects may also be the reason that somebody would reject the injections.

Mumsnet is full of people doing shit that I think is a terrible idea, which is why I find it so compelling.