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Juniperberry55 · 07/07/2025 15:25

Everything finance wise on Mumsnet seems to be very polarised, either those on £100k+ income with tens of thousands in savings and a holiday home, or not having 2 pennies to rub together

I'm quite curious to see how people would rate my financial situation on average for my age

So I'm 33, live alone
I own a house worth roughly £220k with around £45k mortgage left to pay
Around £14k in debt on 0% credit cards and a low interest loan all due to be paid off in around 2 years
Income around £42k a year
Almost no money in savings, currently trying to build up an emergency fund of a couple of months pay
£0 retirement

I'm guessing there will be the odd comment about this being a stealth post. It is not, I am in debt, I think my finances are not great in some areas, in others I think they're not too bad

Score me 0-10 on how you think my financial situation is for my age 0=awful 5= average 10=Jeff bazos level 😂

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restingbitchface30 · 08/07/2025 21:45

You’re in a better position than me and I’m almost 40. Still not managed to buy a house and we are currently living on my partners wage alone as I’m a SAHM. We have savings and only 2k debt but you’re still way better off!

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 21:25

CaptainSevenofNine · 08/07/2025 21:14

You are consistently getting the same advice over and over. Start a pension. It won’t cost you as much as you think (ask company to run a projection for you). You are missing out on tax benefits and free money.

There’s ways you could mitigate the take home difference if you pay into your pension. I think you’d find it’s affordable and achievable, even with your other financial aims.

At the very least open a stakeholder pension. We pay £20 pcm into a stakeholder pension for DS (18) and DD (15) the Govt tops that up by £5 every month (tax relief). They won’t be able to access it until they are 57 (by current rules) but that’s ok.

You could open a stakeholder pension to get the tax benefits for now.

Your determination to clear debt and build emergency fund is blinding you to the importance of a pension right now. I’ve found that people always have a reason to put it off. In fact I read something on MN about a woman who’d put it off and off (for “legitimate” reasons like yours) then all of a sudden her retirement was 15 years away and a financial advisor told her she’d need to save something like £800 pcm to get a decent private pension.

via my work I come into contact with the gender pension gap.

I honestly believe that paying your future self first is one of the most important financial plans to have.

keep the debt on 0% where possible. Economise where possible. Slowly build your emergency fund but start a pension now, not in 2 years…because as sure as eggs are eggs, there will be another good reason not to start then.

15 years ago I encouraged all of my team to join the company pension. Using the free money angle and boy I’m glad I did, because 3 months after that the company reduced their offer of the company contribution from 10% of salary to 6% of salary for new joiners…but everyone in the old scheme got to keep their 10%. So do it now, because your company could easily change (and probably for the worse) their pension offer.

you’d be gutted if that happened. They might increase the payment you make and decrease theirs. Also please check because I think there are rules about minimum pension contributions and I think that’s at 3%.

Tbf I never actually asked for advice on how to improve my financial situation just asked how people would rate me 0-10 on average for my financial situation for my age. And to be honest it has kind of confirmed my thoughts about how people view financial situations differently to others. Some horrified about my lack of pension and savings etc and rate my situation as terrible. Some rating me 3/4 and I would probably agree with them personally, maybe in a couple of years if I'm debt free with savings in an emergency fund and joined the pension I would probably view myself as as 5/6 at that point. Some people think I'm in a great position based off my equity position with the house.
I understand the free money from contributions from your employer, I understand compounding interest. I've just chosen to prioritise differently for the here and now
I understand a pension is important and I have explained my plan, answered questions about why I wish to delay my contributions for 2 years while I stabilise my financial position to protect myself against financial issues over the next couple of years before I start prepping for retirement and paying into savings and pension.
If I'm being totally honest I'll be shocked if I live much past retirement age, but will still prepare as if I will live 20 years past that point regardless.
I mean anything could change in the next few years, the employer could indeed drop how much they contribute, state pension could be abolished, I could be made redundant. But I have as much of a plan based on what's happening now and my current goals for the future and I'm okay with that

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CaptainSevenofNine · 08/07/2025 21:14

You are consistently getting the same advice over and over. Start a pension. It won’t cost you as much as you think (ask company to run a projection for you). You are missing out on tax benefits and free money.

There’s ways you could mitigate the take home difference if you pay into your pension. I think you’d find it’s affordable and achievable, even with your other financial aims.

At the very least open a stakeholder pension. We pay £20 pcm into a stakeholder pension for DS (18) and DD (15) the Govt tops that up by £5 every month (tax relief). They won’t be able to access it until they are 57 (by current rules) but that’s ok.

You could open a stakeholder pension to get the tax benefits for now.

Your determination to clear debt and build emergency fund is blinding you to the importance of a pension right now. I’ve found that people always have a reason to put it off. In fact I read something on MN about a woman who’d put it off and off (for “legitimate” reasons like yours) then all of a sudden her retirement was 15 years away and a financial advisor told her she’d need to save something like £800 pcm to get a decent private pension.

via my work I come into contact with the gender pension gap.

I honestly believe that paying your future self first is one of the most important financial plans to have.

keep the debt on 0% where possible. Economise where possible. Slowly build your emergency fund but start a pension now, not in 2 years…because as sure as eggs are eggs, there will be another good reason not to start then.

15 years ago I encouraged all of my team to join the company pension. Using the free money angle and boy I’m glad I did, because 3 months after that the company reduced their offer of the company contribution from 10% of salary to 6% of salary for new joiners…but everyone in the old scheme got to keep their 10%. So do it now, because your company could easily change (and probably for the worse) their pension offer.

you’d be gutted if that happened. They might increase the payment you make and decrease theirs. Also please check because I think there are rules about minimum pension contributions and I think that’s at 3%.

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 21:02

Blablibladirladada · 08/07/2025 20:44

I agree with what you are saying. My point is that you are talking of « in 2 years » or « I will »… and I guess that I am talking about now.

So, now, if anything happen to your income you won’t be able and you will only have what you have now.
I am not super aware of the legislation but in my understanding, yes, savings first then your house…it will absolutely get sold for you to be able to make payments or they will turn to your kin to action. They won’t « not touch » your house and you can live free of charge whilst sitting on the equity. I agree that, if you can…so no accident…everyone should sell to access a « better care » but the price of it might mean that you go there first and then…in the state one if no one can keep up the payments.

Do you have a financial advisor?

I'm not sure what all the arrows mean, I assume it's formatting that's gone funny
In regards to the right here and now, yes I have low savings, so I'm working on it, within the next few months I'll have a couple of grand, if I got made redundant I would get some money from that to get me through a couple of months. I agree it's too little money in my savings but I can't go back in time so I'm working on it now

I'm am very aware of social care charging legislation. Home care (carers coming into your home), your home doesn't get sold from under you I can guarantee you that is not allowed and they cannot expect next of kin to contribute to your care contributions unless you want more care over and above the care that would meet your needs. In which case it isn't something the council would fund but your family could choose to pay for anything on top of what the council decides is essential, you would be means tested based on your income if your savings were below £23250.
If I was in the position to need to go into a residential home because I couldn't safely stay in my own home with carers coming in, I couldn't give a monkeys about selling the house and paying for my care in the care home of my choice. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Do you think I'd be better off paying rent forever or something? In fact you can even rent out your house and enter into a deferred payment agreement where the house doesn't need to be sold until you die, house can be rented out, you pay a contribution based on your income and then the difference between your contribution and the cost of the placement is charged against the property when you die and the property is sold. Effectively potentially allowing you to extend how long the house funds your care and potentially meaning there might be a bit more equity for your beneficiaries when you pass away as the rental income can help with the costs protecting the equity a little

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Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:48

Sounds like you've been very sensible and managed to get to a pretty comfortable position. Definitely an achievement. Hoping to be in a similarish position in the future.

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Onemorepenny · 08/07/2025 20:47

In your shoes I would open a stocks and shares ISA and pay yourself 10% of your take-home first. That way it's invested but still accessible to you. Next, open a cash ISA. High rate and stick your cash savings in there.
Open a SIPP and once you have 6 months of costs saved, take each additional month saved and transfer it to your SIPP or stocks and shares. Avoid individual shares, buy trackers etc.

If your company does matched contributions you're absolutely mad to be missing out on free money. Sign up ASAP. So many tax benefits being lost out on.

I'd cut the TV/Broadband/Subscriptions right down. Your food grocery spend also seems high if you're on your own, we budget 600 for 4.

Aim to pay down say 50% of the debt on 0% and then whatever's left at the end of the term...shift again to a new 0%.

This way you achieve a better balance - debt reduction in flow, savings balanced across cash, investment, and pension. All at the same time.

Blablibladirladada · 08/07/2025 20:44

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 19:13

To be fair I won't be paying the bank for all my life, debt should be cleared in 2 years, I should have a decent emergency fund built up in that time. I have spoken about my plan for retirement in previous comments. Will start paying pension at 35 and will finish paying mortgage in 9 years ( if I don't overpay) . So in theory I'll have a state pension, work pension 32-33 years of contributions, paid off house and 20+ years of savings from not having to pay rent/mortgage once it's paid off and I can invest and save that money instead. I feel like it could be a lot worse

I know probably better than the average person how care charging works. If we're going by current legislation they can't take your house into account for home care, they do take into account savings over £23250(automatically self funding) and if you have less than that in savings then it depends on your income to how much you pay towards it, so having an occupational pension actually increases how much you'd have to pay towards care in your home.
If I had to going into residential care, I'd be happy to use the equity in my house to pay for it and I can choose which care home I want to live in, not just the cheapest the council can find to cover my needs.

I agree with what you are saying. My point is that you are talking of « in 2 years » or « I will »… and I guess that I am talking about now.

So, now, if anything happen to your income you won’t be able and you will only have what you have now.
I am not super aware of the legislation but in my understanding, yes, savings first then your house…it will absolutely get sold for you to be able to make payments or they will turn to your kin to action. They won’t « not touch » your house and you can live free of charge whilst sitting on the equity. I agree that, if you can…so no accident…everyone should sell to access a « better care » but the price of it might mean that you go there first and then…in the state one if no one can keep up the payments.

Do you have a financial advisor?

fetchacloth · 08/07/2025 20:41

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 19:34

That's basically how I plan to do it too.
How does it feel now you're debt free, I imagine that's a weight of your shoulders, well done 😊
Do you regret prioritising paying off the debt before working on pension funds?

@Juniperberry55 being debt free is very liberating and has improved my wellbeing tremendously. I lost my partner (he died) couple of years before me getting to this point, and finally paying off my mortgage allowed me to move forwards mentally.
As regards pensions, I'd already been paying into these regularly since my late 20s but having paid off the mortgage allowed me to pay AVCs on top of what I had been paying in anyway so improved the value of these.
When I got to my early 50s I began having pension planning with an annual review so this process enabled me to have goals to work towards to achieve this. I would really recommend this for you when you can focus on your pension plans.

Kanfuzed123 · 08/07/2025 20:32

You need to get a pension

MalcolmMoo · 08/07/2025 20:31

id probably say 4/5

house situation good

debt and lack of pension is below average I’d say.

I personally wouldn’t delay the pension. Employers have to put some money in to match your contributions so “free money”. I’ve been paying the amount my employer will match into my pension for the 10 years I’ve been working and I have over £150k - I barely notice the amount going each month as it’s such a small % of take home pay.

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:31

Purpl · 08/07/2025 20:28

I would pay £50 a month now into a pension you get tax relief so it won’t be as bad as pensions take a long time to accrue value the younger you start the better.
you have done amazing on the mortgage front though. The interest free credit cards are ok as you can manage them I woukd personally pay into pension and if you have to transfer the interest free credit card debt to another card so be it.
once the credit card gone those repayments can go straight into savings and pension.

Unfortunately it seems to be a fixed 7% we have to pay into pension or nothing so I can't just start contributing a small amount now and increase it later

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Purpl · 08/07/2025 20:28

I would pay £50 a month now into a pension you get tax relief so it won’t be as bad as pensions take a long time to accrue value the younger you start the better.
you have done amazing on the mortgage front though. The interest free credit cards are ok as you can manage them I woukd personally pay into pension and if you have to transfer the interest free credit card debt to another card so be it.
once the credit card gone those repayments can go straight into savings and pension.

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:17

DoYouReally · 08/07/2025 20:14

OK, given you have good sickness benefits the situation isn't too bad.

Sorry I mean pushing the debt out by 1 years- i.e.3 in order to start the pension sooner. You'll also get tax relief on the contributions etc.

One of the reasons I'm aiming for the 2 years for debt repayment is due to loan payments naturally coming to an end in 2 years, can't decrease that payment and extend it to 3 years unless I get a new loan which would be a higher rate and I'm trying to clear the 0% credit cards before the 0% promotion comes to an end, I know I could do a balance transfer to another 0% credit card but that would also come with a balance transfer fee of around 3% which I'm trying to avoid if I possibly can

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DoYouReally · 08/07/2025 20:14

OK, given you have good sickness benefits the situation isn't too bad.

Sorry I mean pushing the debt out by 1 years- i.e.3 in order to start the pension sooner. You'll also get tax relief on the contributions etc.

Zzzmumzzz · 08/07/2025 20:13

How about a lodger to help increase finances

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:10

DoYouReally · 08/07/2025 19:55

The one thing that would make a huge difference is whether or not you have an income protection, critical illness or sick pay at work.

What would happen if you had an unfortunate event, put your back out for 6 months or something, would it all come down like a house of cards etc.

If you have that covered, I really would start a pension, even £100 p/m. It will accumulate more over the loan term that any savings in interest but pushing the short term debt out over 1 year if you can at all.

I do have a very good sick pay policy at work I believe 6 months full pay, 6 months half pay.
I don't think I've got enough room in my budget to clear the debt in one year, so the plan is 2 years, hopefully closer to 18 months depending on potential pay rise and if I have anything extra left over in my account at the end of the month after the planned bills/savings

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Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:06

SaxaSoLo · 08/07/2025 19:55

Indeed! To compensate for no pension you would need to inherit a huge amount so make sure you are the sole beneficiary! And as for the OP having few outgoings in her 70’s! Well, if it’s Hobsons choice, she clearly won’t have outgoings but the 70’s for most people are the travel and spend years of reasonable health. Obvs you could go tomorrow or conversely live to over 100 however, most pension planners say plan for 10 years active retirement with a big spend on leisure and 10 years ‘quieter’ when health may restrict activities.

I'm not saying I won't pay into a pension, I'm just delaying contributions until I'm 35

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Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 20:04

SaxaSoLo · 08/07/2025 19:49

Unfortunately years of pension contributions backloaded are not worth the same as years front loaded or made evenly across a career. I see you understand compound interest and others have mentioned matched employer contributions; there’s also tax advantages/ni advantages. If you work for an employee with a modeller you could try visualising different options. I think private pension providers also have these available if you try a few sites. I get you know conceptually but these modellers really bring it to life.

re: spending: my cat gets by on a fraction of that. Is there a special diet involved? The overall food spend/cleaning supply spend is quite high too. It’s 3/4 of what I spend for my family of 3.

re: income, understand you can’t work more but given your biggest asset is the house, would a lodger work? I have a single relative who does this periodically with mixed experiences from the ones who make little impact to the ones who feel like they impose.

I feel like even if it made £200 a month (it wouldn't be that much tbh) difference by me starting to pay into my pension 2 years earlier than planned it wouldn't be enough for me to prioritise it over debt repayments and emergency fund if I'm honest.

In regards to the cat spending, there's 2 of them, yes special diet and also cat litter because they're house cats
Food spend I set it at that amount because I know I can stick to it without missing out on nice food and ending up ordering takeaway. But I am looking into batch cooking to see if I can bring down some food waste, still eat nice food and hopefully bring it down a bit. I've only been strictly budgeting the last few months, sometimes I don't spend the whole lot and any left over can get chucked into savings at the end of the month. But it does give me enough to cook something nice if friends come over

In regards to getting a lodger, I really hate the thought of a stranger in my home if I'm honest. If I felt that desperate to increase my income I'd rather work at a second job and burn out. I'm hoping I can turn around some of the worse areas of my finances without resorting to that

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SaxaSoLo · 08/07/2025 20:01

DoYouReally · 08/07/2025 19:55

The one thing that would make a huge difference is whether or not you have an income protection, critical illness or sick pay at work.

What would happen if you had an unfortunate event, put your back out for 6 months or something, would it all come down like a house of cards etc.

If you have that covered, I really would start a pension, even £100 p/m. It will accumulate more over the loan term that any savings in interest but pushing the short term debt out over 1 year if you can at all.

Admittedly it’s been a while since I looked at this however, late 90s when I was single and buying a home, these policies seemed prohibitively expensive and the circumstances they’d pay out in seemed very narrow. I looked again about 15 years ago when my partner became self employed so slightly different circumstances and drew the same conclusion. Again, it’s something you often see suggested but not something that is either affordable or worth having in terms of what would be paid out.

TheSwarm · 08/07/2025 19:55

Not paying into a pension is literally throwing away free money. Madness not to be contributing.

DoYouReally · 08/07/2025 19:55

The one thing that would make a huge difference is whether or not you have an income protection, critical illness or sick pay at work.

What would happen if you had an unfortunate event, put your back out for 6 months or something, would it all come down like a house of cards etc.

If you have that covered, I really would start a pension, even £100 p/m. It will accumulate more over the loan term that any savings in interest but pushing the short term debt out over 1 year if you can at all.

SaxaSoLo · 08/07/2025 19:55

Praying4Peace · 08/07/2025 19:48

Most people inherit something????????
????????
Disagree entirely

Indeed! To compensate for no pension you would need to inherit a huge amount so make sure you are the sole beneficiary! And as for the OP having few outgoings in her 70’s! Well, if it’s Hobsons choice, she clearly won’t have outgoings but the 70’s for most people are the travel and spend years of reasonable health. Obvs you could go tomorrow or conversely live to over 100 however, most pension planners say plan for 10 years active retirement with a big spend on leisure and 10 years ‘quieter’ when health may restrict activities.

SaxaSoLo · 08/07/2025 19:49

Unfortunately years of pension contributions backloaded are not worth the same as years front loaded or made evenly across a career. I see you understand compound interest and others have mentioned matched employer contributions; there’s also tax advantages/ni advantages. If you work for an employee with a modeller you could try visualising different options. I think private pension providers also have these available if you try a few sites. I get you know conceptually but these modellers really bring it to life.

re: spending: my cat gets by on a fraction of that. Is there a special diet involved? The overall food spend/cleaning supply spend is quite high too. It’s 3/4 of what I spend for my family of 3.

re: income, understand you can’t work more but given your biggest asset is the house, would a lodger work? I have a single relative who does this periodically with mixed experiences from the ones who make little impact to the ones who feel like they impose.

Praying4Peace · 08/07/2025 19:48

PeapodMcgee · 07/07/2025 15:39

See, I disagree with prioritising a workplace pension to the detriment of today. Most people do end up inheriting something (not guaranteed, but most do), and OP will have few outgoings in her 70s, unless she wants to let rip.

Most people inherit something????????
????????
Disagree entirely

Juniperberry55 · 08/07/2025 19:45

Sparkiest · 08/07/2025 19:40

3-4 maybe. Not having a pension and having so much short term debt, no emergency fund or other savings- it’s very precarious. You have a decent amount of equity in your home but that’s obviously illiquid so can’t actually help much if anything goes wrong and won’t grow in value as much as shares in a pension or ISA would.

You know the lack of emergency fund is an issue because it has caused you problems before.

https://ukpersonal.finance/flowchart/

You might find this flowchart helpful.You are at step 2- getting a basic emergency fund in place should
be your priority now, then joining the pension.

Yep agreed. Will definitely feel better once my emergency fund has grown to a decent amount to last a few months if I lost my job or had a large house repair.

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