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To be utterly despondent about AI

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AnotherGreyMorning · 06/07/2025 13:41

and our future?

Jobs becoming obsolete. People unable to earn a living.

Villains harnessing for their own ends.

It will all move far too fast and at sophisticated levels for even the most dedicated to manage.

Governments will be stunned by it. People will really suffer.

I just feel quiet dread because whilst life will be great for the wealthy and those who are protected, for the vast majority, I think it will be hellish.

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rumblegrumble · 08/07/2025 09:02

tripleginandtonic · 07/07/2025 22:31

Nope, we saw how well that went in Covid. You need knowledgeable, interactive people in teaching.

You'll have them. They'll just be artificial. This is actually an area where AI could be really useful and important; education will be targeted towards each child so they will be taught one-on-one in the style that suits them the best, and they will have as long as they need to grasp each concept. So there won't be any bored kids who've already learned something being held back because little Timmy just can't get it, and little Timmy won't be at a complete loss after Year 9 because he didn't ever manage to understand some key concepts but didn't want to admit it as the other kids would think he was an idiot.

Already, if you want to learn a new subject, you'll probably be better off with AI. Though currently you may want to be double-checking. The need for double-checking will decrease to nothing.

It's also an amazing opportunity for all those children (and adults) who can't attend regular school, from those who require home-schooling due to ill health, to those in remote areas across the globe where there aren't any schools. I don't think schools will disappear as I think it will still be encouraged that children attend to get all the other benefits, like socialisation and exercise. And I think teachers will still be required to step in if the tech plays up, but mostly to make sure the kids stay attached to their screens and don't start mucking about. Teachers won't need much specialist academic knowledge for this though, other traits like kindness, compassion and communication will be much more important.

curiositykilledthiscat · 08/07/2025 09:02

Lots of jobs become obsolete over time. But new jobs take their place. So remember all the fuss about checkout operators losing jobs from self serve checkouts. And now there is way more ‘personal shoppers’ doing the online orders.

@Neodymium The number of retail jobs have decreased sharply over the past decade. Supermarkets used to have loads of staff working in them and many of those roles some people did have been made redundant, or more commonly, the people doing those roles haven’t been replaced when they’ve voluntarily left. They’re not still there picking online orders - that’s what the remaining staff are doing when they’re not shelf-stacking etc.

https://brc.org.uk/news-and-events/news/corporate-affairs/2025/ungated/retail-down-by-over-360-000-jobs-in-a-decade/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20report%20by%20the,year%2C%20and%20364%2C000%20fewer%20than%20in%202015.

Retail down by over 360,000 jobs in a decade

https://brc.org.uk/news-and-events/news/corporate-affairs/2025/ungated/retail-down-by-over-360-000-jobs-in-a-decade/

Phobiaphobic · 08/07/2025 08:58

People are in for such a shock. It's clear that the general populace is totally unprepared mentally for what's coming.

ShesTheAlbatross · 08/07/2025 08:33

happinessischocolate · 07/07/2025 23:14

Bullshit

the sales people at work who speak to and meet the customers in person will not be replaced by A1

the accounts department which 40 years ago would have had 5 payrollers, 5 credit controllers and 5 purchase ledger clerks has already been streamlined down to 1 person for each department, and no matter how clever the computer it still needs human oversight, you might be able to get rid of 1 more person but head of finance isn’t going to want to double check the takings or the payroll payments or invoice payments

the guys who do the manual work, aren’t getting replaced, not even by some superdooper robot so you’re still going to need someone to do HR too

We didn’t even work from home during covid so the cleaners are still needed and the reception staff, and the maintenance guys

not every job can be done by a robot or computer program,

Why would you need to double check the invoices etc? Do you double check excel’s calculations yourself with a calculator? Do you double check the calculator with a pen and paper? That’s what the equivalent will be - not now, but soon.

Sskka · 08/07/2025 08:27

The counterpoint to that is that, despite the convenience, people are going out and buying records again and new music shops have opened, or cinema never stopped being a thing and fancy cinema chains have even appeared.

So there will surely be new jobs and new things and new things for people to do. The trouble is, AI’s potential is vast enough that it’s really difficult to imagine what those will be.

Chiseltip · 08/07/2025 08:13

happinessischocolate · 07/07/2025 23:14

Bullshit

the sales people at work who speak to and meet the customers in person will not be replaced by A1

the accounts department which 40 years ago would have had 5 payrollers, 5 credit controllers and 5 purchase ledger clerks has already been streamlined down to 1 person for each department, and no matter how clever the computer it still needs human oversight, you might be able to get rid of 1 more person but head of finance isn’t going to want to double check the takings or the payroll payments or invoice payments

the guys who do the manual work, aren’t getting replaced, not even by some superdooper robot so you’re still going to need someone to do HR too

We didn’t even work from home during covid so the cleaners are still needed and the reception staff, and the maintenance guys

not every job can be done by a robot or computer program,

sales people

Ever bought anything online?

Went to a fast food restaurant and used the kiosk?

Your sales people aren't needed.

accounts

Within five years, A.I, won't be making any mistakes. That one person needs to start looking for another job.

manual work

Some sectors will be resilient, some won't, probably 50% of manual labour will be lost to A.I. that's a lot of jobs.

HR

Very few companies will need anything like a HR department as we know it today. Most companies won't have very many employees. Take your local supermarket, that will be a place you go to for collection of your online order. You won't be able to walk inside, just wait for an A.I powered bot to bring your shopping to your car. Inside will just be a hive of robots, moving goods, managing inventory. No people required.

Cleaners won't be needed because there won't be any employees to use the offices, which won't be needed because there aren't any employees, which means no need for reception, maintenance or the office building itself. The entire operation can be run from a computer.

Three years ago, nobody had heard of GPT or Gemini, not they are replacing jobs. That's how quickly A.I will change things.

Think of it like this. If you have Apple Music, you never have to buy another album again, or store any music physically, your entire "record/CD collection" is stored in your device. So you have every album you want, always with you.

With A.I, you will have every employee you need to run your company, stored in your device. You won't need physical people, staff, you have an expert on every subject, available 247, for free. Why would you need employees . . .

happinessischocolate · 08/07/2025 07:46

curiositykilledthiscat · 08/07/2025 07:28

so you’re still going to need someone to do HR too

@happinessischocolate AI can do all H.R tasks, including interviewing candidates.

Any company that get AI to do it’s recruitment, interviews, welfare checks, disciplinaries, and dismissals deserves everything it gets 😂

Sskka · 08/07/2025 07:43

The point isn’t that AI is better at doing the job – it’s that it’s nearly as good at doing the job, but is much much cheaper.

Every mass economic development for decades, from self-service check outs, to call centres, to offshore manufacturing, to budget airlines, tells us that when there’s a fork in the road, not-as-good-but-cheaper is the option we choose.

Bluebellwood129 · 08/07/2025 07:34

tripleginandtonic · 07/07/2025 22:31

Nope, we saw how well that went in Covid. You need knowledgeable, interactive people in teaching.

I can see AI reducing the number of teachers massively and fairly quickly.

curiositykilledthiscat · 08/07/2025 07:28

so you’re still going to need someone to do HR too

@happinessischocolate AI can do all H.R tasks, including interviewing candidates.

OntheBorder1 · 08/07/2025 00:54

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/07/2025 14:48

I can't help but see AI as the death of creativity. When you can create 'art' with AI and write 'books' with AI (none of which will give any new insights into the human condition - how can it, when AI doesn't know what it IS to be human?) why would you pay an artist to paint a picture of bees in an apple tree? Or an author to write a book about how it feels to live with a disability? You can get AI to do it - it might well be wrong, but you won't have to pay someone for it.

I agree. A lot of creativity has already been lost due to technology, and skills have been lost forever. The saying "use it or lose it" is very apt, and applies to brains as well as other functions.

Nagginthenag · 07/07/2025 23:33

But what's coming is like nothing we've experienced previously. The rate of change, the fact that the planet's population is so much greater than it was at the time of the industrial revolution or the advent of the computer age. New Jobs? Most of these will be undertaken by AI. So much power in the hands of a tiny number of individuals. If you're not concerned, you really haven't thought it through.

Specialists in the US are predicting a conservative 20% job loss over the next decade. 20%. Dwell on that.

Neodymium · 07/07/2025 23:25

Lots of jobs become obsolete over time. But new jobs take their place. So remember all the fuss about checkout operators losing jobs from self serve checkouts. And now there is way more ‘personal shoppers’ doing the online orders. And email was going to put the post out of business but look at online shopping.

the best example I’ve seen is in the movie hidden figures. When the supervisor of the calculators (people who did the calculations) realised that computers were going to take their jobs. Rather than complaining about it she got a book on programming the computer and taught all her staff coding. So that they would not be redundant.

people just need to constantly be learning, improving and adapting to change and not just fighting against it.

happinessischocolate · 07/07/2025 23:14

Londongent · 07/07/2025 21:39

Yeah the AI at the moment cannot do your job, but 3 years down the line, there will be virtually no job it cannot do. It's in its infancy right now. Bit it will get better and better and better at a rate that is so quick it will be a blink of an eye.

Bullshit

the sales people at work who speak to and meet the customers in person will not be replaced by A1

the accounts department which 40 years ago would have had 5 payrollers, 5 credit controllers and 5 purchase ledger clerks has already been streamlined down to 1 person for each department, and no matter how clever the computer it still needs human oversight, you might be able to get rid of 1 more person but head of finance isn’t going to want to double check the takings or the payroll payments or invoice payments

the guys who do the manual work, aren’t getting replaced, not even by some superdooper robot so you’re still going to need someone to do HR too

We didn’t even work from home during covid so the cleaners are still needed and the reception staff, and the maintenance guys

not every job can be done by a robot or computer program,

Phobiaphobic · 07/07/2025 23:08

jumpintheline · 07/07/2025 19:48

I use it a bit at work (marketing) and it never quite gets it right. Eg creating a deck of findings from a survey, analysing a set of data, writing copy. Human intervention still needed to actually be able to apply and use it in my experience.

Lot of comments saying similar things, AI makes mistakes, it isn't very sophisticated, etc. This technology is still in its infancy. Saying AI isn't very good is like criticising a toddler for making language mistakes. It's learning, and it's learning very, very fast.

Phobiaphobic · 07/07/2025 23:05

EdwinaIronside · 07/07/2025 20:04

So, if we accept that AI might bring some benefits but on the whole is not a good thing….. why are we doing it?

For the same reasons we built atom bombs - if we don't do it, Russia and China will and we'll be defenceless.

Jewel1968 · 07/07/2025 22:55

It seems to me that our species often does stuff not in our best interest. I read recently that early Neolithic farmers were short and had poor dental health due to malnutrition. Hunter gatherers wee apparently much healthier and taller.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 07/07/2025 22:53

This is Ai now. Once you know it's Ai, you can spot it, but if you didn't know you might be miss it, especially on a first watch.

In a year's time you won't be able to tell the difference between Ai generated content and 'real' content.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiuJfZ7LX1c

GarlicMetre · 07/07/2025 22:51

tripleginandtonic · 07/07/2025 22:31

Nope, we saw how well that went in Covid. You need knowledgeable, interactive people in teaching.

Only if you need well-educated citizens.

tripleginandtonic · 07/07/2025 22:31

rumblegrumble · 07/07/2025 21:14

Systems are currently being built to offer entire AI tuition, though mostly aimed at home schooling, or less developed countries. But it's certainly expected that increasing amounts of education everywhere will be done by AI, with teachers just helping out if a child has trouble, and keeping an eye to make sure the kids behave themselves. So there'll be a lot less work for teachers, and they won't need anything like as much knowledge as the computer's will know everything. Salaries will presumably reflect that.

Nope, we saw how well that went in Covid. You need knowledgeable, interactive people in teaching.

FlyingUnicornWings · 07/07/2025 22:00

Londongent · 07/07/2025 21:39

Yeah the AI at the moment cannot do your job, but 3 years down the line, there will be virtually no job it cannot do. It's in its infancy right now. Bit it will get better and better and better at a rate that is so quick it will be a blink of an eye.

This is the point here, to those saying “but AI can’t…”

It might not be able to right now, but it is growing at an alarming speed, and it will be able to soon.

TinyR3bel · 07/07/2025 21:58

A few years ago I would have been encouraging my sons to follow their ambitions to become video game developers (I work in the industry myself) however, they would be much better off learning a trade, AI will never be able to do the plumbing or fit a kitchen.

The potential uses of AI are incredible but also completely terrifying in the wrong hands.

Londongent · 07/07/2025 21:39

happinessischocolate · 07/07/2025 19:01

I was told the other day by a colleague that my job would be done by AI in the near future 🤷‍♀️ why is it always people who have no idea of your job and what you do that say this shit.

In my opinion, our company employs 200 people and I’m not sure AI could replace any of them.

It might make some aspects of some jobs quicker, but anything computer related already has a decent software programme that can do the time consuming bits already.

To the people who have so much faith in AI, go ask AI some questions about a subject that you personally know a lot about, you’ll soon find there’s massive errors and yes AI could learn the correct answers in the future but from who?

I wouldn’t trust AI with my tax return 😂 but people think it’s going to replace accountants. Try getting AI to sort out a problem with HMRC for you….

AI can’t fix your boiler, repair your car, or boat or motorbike. Hell at the moment the warnings lights on a car can’t even get it right half the time because the sensors either aren’t working or are detecting somethings wrong when it’s not 😂 and the computer system at work buggers up everytime it does an update, the scanner can’t detect the number 1 and the automatic door is prone to not unlocking after a bank holiday 😂

Yeah the AI at the moment cannot do your job, but 3 years down the line, there will be virtually no job it cannot do. It's in its infancy right now. Bit it will get better and better and better at a rate that is so quick it will be a blink of an eye.