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To be oblivious to the issue people have with JKR? I thought she was a feminist. What have I missed?

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laughingnow · 15/06/2025 14:05

People have warned me not to state the view above as ‘it’s more complicated’

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 20:52

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:49

Yes

Well that's even more depressing.

In my experience the people who believe this nonsense about JKR being an evil right wing bigot tend to be people who don't have a clue about British politics.

One thing's for sure, none of the people who hold this view appear to be capable of thinking for themselves.

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 20:46

Question - do you live in the UK?

Yes

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 20:48

It's just one in the long list of thought terminating clichés so beloved of those who believe that women's safety and dignity is less important than men's feelings -

'TWAW!'
'No debate!'
'JKR is the devil!'
'There's no such thing as sex based rights!'
'It's all so complicated!'

Chant the mantras or be demonised! Be a good acolyte or be shunned!

Critical thinking be damned!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 20:46

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:31

I honestly just thought everyone disliked JKR after seeing social media posts etc. It wasn’t until I joined mumsnet that I saw that she had a following. I follow a lot of left media, and so hadn’t realised people liked her. I also work in a secondary school, and the kids don’t seem to like her either, so I just thought it was a universal dislike of her.

Question - do you live in the UK?

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2025 20:44

I can't remember exactly when I became aware that JKR was causing controversy. But my first port of call was to go and read the original, now infamous post.

And I agreed with every single word of it. It was sensible, driven by a desire to safeguard women, but also respectful and empathetic to the trans community.

The reaction it got made me realise that the world had gone mad.

Shortly afterwards, that was further affirmed when a transwoman heading up a rape crisis centre, told women who didn't want to see a male counsellor that they needed to 'reframe their trauma'. 🙄

I'm still not over that one.

miraxxx · 16/06/2025 20:42

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:31

I honestly just thought everyone disliked JKR after seeing social media posts etc. It wasn’t until I joined mumsnet that I saw that she had a following. I follow a lot of left media, and so hadn’t realised people liked her. I also work in a secondary school, and the kids don’t seem to like her either, so I just thought it was a universal dislike of her.

I would bet that if she is one of the most popular and admired figures in the UK. You live in a tiny bubble.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 20:36

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:31

I honestly just thought everyone disliked JKR after seeing social media posts etc. It wasn’t until I joined mumsnet that I saw that she had a following. I follow a lot of left media, and so hadn’t realised people liked her. I also work in a secondary school, and the kids don’t seem to like her either, so I just thought it was a universal dislike of her.

Well the lack of critical thinking here is extremely depressing.

MyRootinTootinBaby · 16/06/2025 20:31

I honestly just thought everyone disliked JKR after seeing social media posts etc. It wasn’t until I joined mumsnet that I saw that she had a following. I follow a lot of left media, and so hadn’t realised people liked her. I also work in a secondary school, and the kids don’t seem to like her either, so I just thought it was a universal dislike of her.

WestwardHo1 · 16/06/2025 20:20

Her yacht was recently in a Canadian port - forget which.

This was reported on social media. The number of posts I saw calling for it to be sabotaged, bombed, sunk, scuttled etc was truly eye opening, mainly it seemed by Canadian women who've been fed the "transphobic witch" narrative.

Where ARE all these trans people everyone is falling over themselves to defend, and attack others on their behalf? I don't know a single one.

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 16/06/2025 20:10

I fucking love her ❤️ Someone at work recently said they wouldn't go to HP World because JK is a transphobe and I couldn't help asking why? She said "oh I don't want to give her money because she's horrible to trans people isn't she".

When I said oh that sounds awful how has she been horrible? My (genuinely lovely) colleague said she wasn't really sure, but that is what she'd heard. I directed her to some of JKRs incredible charity donations, rape crisis service, and legal help for women facing disciplinaries at work for their gender critical views.

Saying that men cannot change into women is not transphobic.

BeautifulPeonies · 16/06/2025 19:38

Snorlaxo · 15/06/2025 14:18

Some people see the centring of womens needs as a threat because they think that everything should revolve around men and their dicks.

This !!! 👏

Verv · 16/06/2025 18:57

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2025 18:48

I mean, JKR is told she should 'go high' and stop stoking 'culture wars' and yet this is happening in plain sight.

https://terfisaslur.com

Heaven forbid deriding them with terms like “ladyfeels” though.

Oy vey.

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2025 18:48

I mean, JKR is told she should 'go high' and stop stoking 'culture wars' and yet this is happening in plain sight.

https://terfisaslur.com

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com

miraxxx · 16/06/2025 18:47

I would like to know what is referred to as a culture war too. I find it a lazy categorisation usually. But it might be relevant here.

In my experience it was used in the early years of this century in the US to refer to anti-science, specifically anti-evolution christian extremists. Their opponents were the new atheists.

TheKeatingFive · 16/06/2025 18:46

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 18:28

And where did 'be kind' and 'go high' get us?

Ah yes, violent male sex offenders in the female prison estate.

And just for anyone who isn't aware, the official Scottish Prison Service policy is still that violent male offenders can be placed in the female estate in Scotland. Official policy

But it's all a 'culture war'.

And if anyone ever bothered to read JKR's original note on the subject, they'd see it was as 'high' and empathetic and measured as it was possible to be.

What was the result? She got totally vilified on social media, death threats sent to her home, rape threats and designated wicked witch status by those who tell us to 'be kind'

So, I don't think 'going high' really helped her here. I have no idea why people would suggest she owes that to anyone anymore.

miraxxx · 16/06/2025 18:44

Ketryne · 16/06/2025 18:21

I think she sometimes jumps on news stories that are literally designed by the press to stoke culture wars and takes the bate, giving them the outrageous sound bite they wanted. In a world where everyone is going low, I think she could ‘go high’ and still fight for important issues.

Sometimes she comes across a bit Katie Hopkins in her delivery, as though she wants to shock rather than educate, and I think that’s a missed opportunity.

I also think these days that absolutely nothing of value is said on twitter/X or threads by anyone and she’d be better off leaving well alone.

Yes nothing of value is ever said on X by the bad people and yet the attention and furore created on X on the pakistani rape gangs several months ago led to a major government announcement today. Funny that.

miraxxx · 16/06/2025 18:40

Lostcat · 16/06/2025 15:34

No amount of insulting me will make your opinions any other than what they are, which is totally incompatible with basic human decency .

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I laugh at thought terminating cliches like the "right side of history" and "basic human decency". It means nothing in effect.

Helleofabore · 16/06/2025 18:33

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 18:28

And where did 'be kind' and 'go high' get us?

Ah yes, violent male sex offenders in the female prison estate.

And just for anyone who isn't aware, the official Scottish Prison Service policy is still that violent male offenders can be placed in the female estate in Scotland. Official policy

But it's all a 'culture war'.

I would like to know what is referred to as a culture war too. I find it a lazy categorisation usually. But it might be relevant here.

I tend to find it previously used to dismiss the need to discuss the needs of female people by those who find the conversations uncomfortable. Or who have deprioritised it for whatever their personal reason. And that is fine. But it is not find to accuse a woman of stoking a culture war simply because you, personally, cannot see the relevance to prioritise it.

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 18:28

And where did 'be kind' and 'go high' get us?

Ah yes, violent male sex offenders in the female prison estate.

And just for anyone who isn't aware, the official Scottish Prison Service policy is still that violent male offenders can be placed in the female estate in Scotland. Official policy

But it's all a 'culture war'.

Helleofabore · 16/06/2025 18:27

Ketryne · 16/06/2025 18:21

I think she sometimes jumps on news stories that are literally designed by the press to stoke culture wars and takes the bate, giving them the outrageous sound bite they wanted. In a world where everyone is going low, I think she could ‘go high’ and still fight for important issues.

Sometimes she comes across a bit Katie Hopkins in her delivery, as though she wants to shock rather than educate, and I think that’s a missed opportunity.

I also think these days that absolutely nothing of value is said on twitter/X or threads by anyone and she’d be better off leaving well alone.

Ok. Thanks for the answer.

As far as I can see then, it is based on your own opinion that she should only use her platform to educate and to effectively 'be kind'.

Do you think that she should be free to express her opinions about current affairs? Or is that, according to you, stoking a culture war?

Should anyone who responds to highlight a news item be considered to be 'stoking a culture war'?

Or just her when she responds to an issue she sees as worthy to highlight around the needs of female people.

Also, should she respond to the male people who directly abuse her, or not? Should she just brush it all off lest she stoke a culture war?

I am trying to work out what is considered 'stoking a culture war' and what is not, by the way. What is her responding to a current affairs issue that she is concerned about and what is someone else's categorisation of that issue as being not worthy of response for instance?

Ketryne · 16/06/2025 18:21

Helleofabore · 16/06/2025 14:45

Do you think that it is 'unhelpful to her cause', or just that she is rather blunt and that makes you uncomfortable?

I guess I am asking what is it that she is saying that you find unhelpful? Is it information that she is giving out, or her reaction to some of the abusive tweets that she has directed at her, or is it the particular language she uses about issues that she highlights?

I think she sometimes jumps on news stories that are literally designed by the press to stoke culture wars and takes the bate, giving them the outrageous sound bite they wanted. In a world where everyone is going low, I think she could ‘go high’ and still fight for important issues.

Sometimes she comes across a bit Katie Hopkins in her delivery, as though she wants to shock rather than educate, and I think that’s a missed opportunity.

I also think these days that absolutely nothing of value is said on twitter/X or threads by anyone and she’d be better off leaving well alone.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/06/2025 18:20

Lostcat · 16/06/2025 15:54

giving males and their ladyfeelings full access to women and girls

Yup. It is exactly this type of raging transphobia- specifically trans misogyny- that is incompatible with basic human decency. Perfect example of it right here. It is what it is , and it’s here in black and white for all to see.

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#OperationLetThemSpeak in full flow, I see! Great stuff, keep it up.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 16/06/2025 17:37

horseshit was your word wasn’t it? Yep everything about this post is certainly that

you should have said ‘your post’ cos what you have said is that lostcats post is horseshit

WallaceinAnderland · 16/06/2025 17:33

And they are no the longer single sex spaces which women are entitled to under law.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 17:28

Lostcat · 16/06/2025 16:43

Of course I don't need to explain why it's transphobic. But here goes nothing.

It is utterly demeaning (not to mention nonsensical) to characterise trans women as "males and their ladyfeelings".

And to suggest that trans people are seeking to establish "full access to women and girls" when all they are asking for is safety, privacy, acceptance and inclusion like anyone else (e.g. the ability to go out in public and have a safe, private and dignified place to piss) is profoundly prejudiced and false.

And, indeed, none of this is compatible with basic decency.

HTH.

Look, @Lostcat, it's very simple.

Demanding inclusion in women's single sex spaces when you are not a woman is the same thing as demanding full access to women and girls.

And your inclusion in such spaces means that they are no longer safe, private and dignified spaces for women and girls.

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