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To be oblivious to the issue people have with JKR? I thought she was a feminist. What have I missed?

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laughingnow · 15/06/2025 14:05

People have warned me not to state the view above as ‘it’s more complicated’

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BuckaDuck · 15/06/2025 17:53

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:43

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I don't understand why you're bringing up the law, that isn't relevant to the point I made?
JKR has helped perpetuate a culture where bullying of women who look more masc or non binary is acceptable. Things have gone backwards in that regard. This is happening to my friends. I don't rely on Mumsnet for my news stories, baffling why you think I would.
I also have a trans masc friend who is really struggling at the moment with not feeling welcome anywhere (according to JKR they should be in women's spaces, my friend does not feel comfortable doing that at all)

Women not being feminine enough existed in the 80s probably before too but I wasn't around then.

Blaming JKR because men in dresses decided to put the spotlight on themselves & ended up turning society against transpeople is simply you deflecting from the problem & it's true cause.

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 17:52

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:48

Ooh, ooh, let's have a game of - Bullying tactics on social media - JKR or TRA?

Threatening to kidnap people in a van

Threatening a bunny rescue

Policing other people's follows

Doxxing people's addresses.

Organising shit and piss protests

Laughing at the idea of dancing on the grave of a young woman who died tragically young

Posting pictures of porn on a twitter thread on which children were posting drawings during one of the lock downs.

5 minutes folks and then pencils down!

(I'll give you a wee hint. It's all TRA)

JKR's biggest crimes seems to be having a glass of champagne and a cigar on a yacht and not allowing people to defame her.

...and what a wonderful picture that was.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/06/2025 17:52

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:43

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I don't understand why you're bringing up the law, that isn't relevant to the point I made?
JKR has helped perpetuate a culture where bullying of women who look more masc or non binary is acceptable. Things have gone backwards in that regard. This is happening to my friends. I don't rely on Mumsnet for my news stories, baffling why you think I would.
I also have a trans masc friend who is really struggling at the moment with not feeling welcome anywhere (according to JKR they should be in women's spaces, my friend does not feel comfortable doing that at all)

She hasn't condoned bullying at all. I don't think I've seen a single gender critical person actually condone any kind of bullying or discrimination against trans people, with the possible exception of Posie Parker (who doesn't consider herself gender critical or a feminist), who said she wouldn't employ or rent a property to a trans person.

(In stark contrast to trans activists, who seem to have made the bullying, harassment and abuse of any woman who doesn't believe in magical thinking into a full time occupation.)

I am not talking about Mumsnet news stories, I'm talking about the tidal wave of bullshit from sources such as BuzzFeed and Pink News, claiming that masculine presenting women are now being attacked in women's toilets. There is absolutely no evidence for this and no reason why it should be the case. The Supreme Court judgment confirmed that trans women shouldn't be using women's single sex spaces. Masculine presenting women couldn't look less like trans women if they tried.

I'm sorry your friend feels they are not welcome anywhere, but not entirely sure why this is women's problem to solve, or indeed how JKR has made it worse.

greencartbluecart · 15/06/2025 17:51

No JKR has not done anything to make the bullying of other women.more likely

That’s like saying women should never leave their home or a man might attack them and it would be all their fault. Ie misogynistic tripe

JKR has never said that women who don’t look very feminine ard in any way shape or from any different to other women

in fact she actually does say it shouldn’t matter how you look, how you dress , what your hobbies and interests are - you are just as important and female as the next woman

and if you are not a woman you ard not a woman - you may find that dad but true

the Only people who have incited violence are the ones who say things like “JKR we are coming for you” and “kill a terf”

I know George orwell explored some interesting ideas but if we just used plain English instead of twisting and adding assumed layers of meaning without any justification the world might be nicer

WhereIsMyJumper · 15/06/2025 17:51

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:43

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I don't understand why you're bringing up the law, that isn't relevant to the point I made?
JKR has helped perpetuate a culture where bullying of women who look more masc or non binary is acceptable. Things have gone backwards in that regard. This is happening to my friends. I don't rely on Mumsnet for my news stories, baffling why you think I would.
I also have a trans masc friend who is really struggling at the moment with not feeling welcome anywhere (according to JKR they should be in women's spaces, my friend does not feel comfortable doing that at all)

That’s not the fault of JKR. It’s the fault of the extremely vocal minority (I hope!) of trans people and TRAs

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:51

WhereIsMyJumper · 15/06/2025 17:50

Don’t forget defacing a suffragette statue. I’m fairly certain that wasn’t JKR

I didn't even get onto the real life stuff!

That's a looooong list.

WhereIsMyJumper · 15/06/2025 17:50

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:48

Ooh, ooh, let's have a game of - Bullying tactics on social media - JKR or TRA?

Threatening to kidnap people in a van

Threatening a bunny rescue

Policing other people's follows

Doxxing people's addresses.

Organising shit and piss protests

Laughing at the idea of dancing on the grave of a young woman who died tragically young

Posting pictures of porn on a twitter thread on which children were posting drawings during one of the lock downs.

5 minutes folks and then pencils down!

(I'll give you a wee hint. It's all TRA)

JKR's biggest crimes seems to be having a glass of champagne and a cigar on a yacht and not allowing people to defame her.

Don’t forget defacing a suffragette statue. I’m fairly certain that wasn’t JKR

BuckaDuck · 15/06/2025 17:50

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 15/06/2025 16:44

I consider myself pretty gender-critical but jKR is increasingly coming off as off-puttingly obsessive and mean on social media.

What is she saying that you deem mean?

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:48

Ooh, ooh, let's have a game of - Bullying tactics on social media - JKR or TRA?

Threatening to kidnap people in a van

Threatening a bunny rescue

Policing other people's follows

Doxxing people's addresses.

Organising shit and piss protests

Laughing at the idea of dancing on the grave of a young woman who died tragically young

Posting pictures of porn on a twitter thread on which children were posting drawings during one of the lock downs.

5 minutes folks and then pencils down!

(I'll give you a wee hint. It's all TRA)

JKR's biggest crimes seems to be having a glass of champagne and a cigar on a yacht and not allowing people to defame her.

FOJN · 15/06/2025 17:44

JHound · 15/06/2025 16:06

You know very well what I mean.

I'm not sure I do.

Do you mean she wouldn't shut up and roll over for men's rights activists?
Did she have the temerity to hold an opinion on an issue which affects women?

If you think supporting women's rights must mean you hate trans people you are a misogynist.

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:43

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I don't understand why you're bringing up the law, that isn't relevant to the point I made?
JKR has helped perpetuate a culture where bullying of women who look more masc or non binary is acceptable. Things have gone backwards in that regard. This is happening to my friends. I don't rely on Mumsnet for my news stories, baffling why you think I would.
I also have a trans masc friend who is really struggling at the moment with not feeling welcome anywhere (according to JKR they should be in women's spaces, my friend does not feel comfortable doing that at all)

WhereIsMyJumper · 15/06/2025 17:41

Most people who accuse her of being transphobic haven’t even bothered to read her well-worded essay about women’s rights on her website. Read it and decide for yourself.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/06/2025 17:34

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:32

JKR has made life very difficult for women who present as more masculine, whether she intended to or not. She doesn't care about throwing some women under a bus, so I think she's a poor feminist for that reason.
I'm aware that's not a popular view on Mumsnet.
She's shown some pretty abhorrent bullying tactics on social media too, which in my view ruins any credibility she claims to have about standing up for minority people. You don't criticise others and copy their tactics at the same time.

How? JKR doesn't make the law. Parliament did.

Anyway, you do realise that most of the stories about "cis" women with short hair being challenged in women's toilets since the Supreme Court judgment are a crock of shite, right?

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:32

JKR has made life very difficult for women who present as more masculine, whether she intended to or not. She doesn't care about throwing some women under a bus, so I think she's a poor feminist for that reason.
I'm aware that's not a popular view on Mumsnet.
She's shown some pretty abhorrent bullying tactics on social media too, which in my view ruins any credibility she claims to have about standing up for minority people. You don't criticise others and copy their tactics at the same time.

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:22

Also, there's currently angry entitled men attacking a bunny rescue for following the 'wrong' twitter accounts and a man jailed for 15 months for handcuffing a man to a radiator and beating him is going after JKR, but it's her who's obsessive and mean.

Waitwhat23 · 15/06/2025 17:11

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 15/06/2025 16:44

I consider myself pretty gender-critical but jKR is increasingly coming off as off-puttingly obsessive and mean on social media.

Meh.

She put her very rational and mainstream views across in her measured essay and received 'enough death threats to paper her house'.

I imagine, like many of us who keep being told 'well, there's obviously a problem, but you're not being nice enough about it', that she no longer gives any fucks.

It doesn't matter how sweetly and kindly women say the no. Angry entitled men are angry because it's a no.

As Berns said 'I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar'.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/06/2025 17:05

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 15/06/2025 16:44

I consider myself pretty gender-critical but jKR is increasingly coming off as off-puttingly obsessive and mean on social media.

How do you think she should deal with the constant death threats and general abuse she gets? In what way is she ‘mean’?

Dangermoo · 15/06/2025 17:02

ChaToilLeam · 15/06/2025 16:15

She's an absolute queen for all she has done for women. An absolute feminist icon. Yet misrepresented and demonised by the "be kind" brigade, which tells you all you need to know about them.

Hear hear. She's one of many, who has been bullied and threatened by the kind, tolerant progressives.

AwardGiselePelicotTheNobelPeacePrize · 15/06/2025 16:44

I consider myself pretty gender-critical but jKR is increasingly coming off as off-puttingly obsessive and mean on social media.

MoistVonL · 15/06/2025 16:33

laughingnow · 15/06/2025 15:42

I don’t think I was missing that much then. I definitely don’t put trans women in the woman category. I couldn’t really believe that was the issue.

I’ll be honest, most of us started out like that. “But that’s just common sense and blatantly obvious! There must be something more going on…”

There wasn’t. (And believe me, I looked)

It was the failure to fully capitulate the category of Women to include transwomen in every single situation. Which is clearly madness.

SerendipityJane · 15/06/2025 16:32

laughingnow · 15/06/2025 14:40

So is it mainly men who have taken such umbrage at her? Or the vanishingly small number of trans people? It can’t be women, surely.

The usual phrase is:

"men and the women who enable them"

JHound · 15/06/2025 16:24

WallaceinAnderland · 15/06/2025 16:09

No I don't. This is the problem. People saying that she's anti trans when she isn't. Even if you don't believe it, you perpetuate the myth by repeating it.

Ok.

(also I noticed how

“people disagree with her stance on trans rights”

subtly became

“people say she is anti-trans”….)

ChaToilLeam · 15/06/2025 16:15

She's an absolute queen for all she has done for women. An absolute feminist icon. Yet misrepresented and demonised by the "be kind" brigade, which tells you all you need to know about them.

WallaceinAnderland · 15/06/2025 16:09

JHound · 15/06/2025 16:06

You know very well what I mean.

No I don't. This is the problem. People saying that she's anti trans when she isn't. Even if you don't believe it, you perpetuate the myth by repeating it.

JHound · 15/06/2025 16:06

WallaceinAnderland · 15/06/2025 16:03

Some people (many?) disagree with her stance on trans rights

That's odd because JKR supports trans rights.

You know very well what I mean.