Parents hate the Childfree

I really don’t care about whether other people have DC or not to be honest between my own children, DH, job and hobbies I don’t have much time to think about what other people do or don’t do.

Saying that people should not say they hate children though is not a sign of ‘hating the child free’. Children are a vulnerable section of society and saying you hate them is akin so saying ‘I hate old people’ or ‘I hate gay people’ which no one would say but will happily say it about children who some people seem to see as an extension or possession of their parents as opposed to a person in their own right (I did see the thread on this the other day but didn’t have time to comment).

But if that's all you're ever going to interpret,. despite what's written down, then....well....are you seeing a theme here?

"I like my choice to not have children, I have more freedom and more fun"

Ok, fair enough.

"I like my choice to have children, I think I'll be less lonely in elder years"

Look at you relishing how miserable child free people will be. Nasty.

It is said “all the time”

that parents pour out an endless stream of empathy

are you prone to extreme hyperbole in RL too @TheWorminLabyrinth

I have children. I don’t hate the childfree - I have a lot of opinions about being childfree but hate isn’t one of them

I don't have kids but I do hate the capital C Childfree because they're bloody loud and annoying.

You said kids. Presumably the toddlers are the younger siblings. Even then, toddlers take in everything.

Museums are a basic way to entertain kids. Going to a museum and complaining about kids is like going hiking and complaining about walking. If you don't like it, stick to high and restaurants and plays.

Because relishing someone being lonely in their older vulnerable years is really nasty. And it's definitely not comparable to cash and holidays.

Ridiculous. Toddlers who have no clue where they are and won’t remember it? Sorry but their lazy parents are arseholes.

It's a museum. The kids have a right to be there.

And kids take in a great deal from these sorts of things, despite all the running around. They might not understand it as an adult would, but a few things will get talked about years later.

I recently had a couple of museum visits in London (at museums that would be utterly incomprehensible to people under the age of 10) ruined by screaming, screeching, shouting, running, underfoot kids and toddlers whilst their lazy-arsed parents ignored them and chatted.

The disruption and cacophony by kids who may as well been in a park, tube station or wilderness, for all they understood of their surroundings, was beyond the pale. And in just one museum we are talking 50-75 kids and probably 40 lazy parents, not an isolated example.

That is how people come to detest being around children.

Well that would be a bit stupid of me, considering I was childfree for more than half of my life.

This is hilarious. I'm early - mid 30's and I definitely do not want children. I'm not old and bitter and deep down I know I don't want them.

Being child free is a blessing. Don't blame the (not all) bitter mums for being jealous 😉

Why?

It's said all the time on here.

Do you genuinely feel that someone saying

It's having a family of your own. Grandchildren great grandchildren all the rest of it that makes older peoples lives so much better

As a reason to why they chose to have children, an opinion common amongst the majority of the population, is a "horrible post" and "taking a pop at child free/less posters?"

If I say: a child free person is likely to have much more disposable income, more frequent travel, more freedom in their lives, making their mid lives so much better

Is that a horrible post and having a pop at parents in your eyes?

A child free person probably has a lot more cash than me, much nicer holidays, much more freedom. I'll probably have more support in my elder years. These things are likely outcomes of our life choices. Why must we call them horrible by stating the most likely scenario?

You asked for evidence that parents go on the Mumsnetters without children board to take a pop at childfree/childless posters. I provided it. Two examples of horrible posts.

It's nothing to do with having to rely on your children.

Ok?

It's having a family of your own. Grandchildren great grandchildren all the rest of it that makes older peoples lives so much better

Subjective. Most grandparents adore their GC. Some don't. This is a fairly standard opinion.

You will be lonely.

Probably more so than if you had children, yes. Some children become estranged, but that's the exception not the rule. Our peers die with us as we age. If you're the last one left with no family to visit, it probably is lonely.

You can't say you won't regret it because you arnt there yet. That is when your decision will come home to roost.

More accurate is that you can't know either way. But on the majority of society, we like to be social creatures, so children in elderly age probably is a plus, on balance, but not reason enough to go through a lifetime of raising them just for this.

I don't really see the point in creating a thread on mumsnet about the good things of not being a mum?

Yeah I've always thought this was a faux naive "sorry, what's the problem with me telling a load of parents that parenting is shite?" You wouldn't walk into a rugby stadium to announce rugby was shite then stand then pretending to be shocked that the rugby players don't seem welcoming.

That's your choice and good luck to you. Each to their own.

Yep .

It may be great now. When you are an old lady trust me it really won't be. That's when you will have regrets.

There's probably truth in this. Like it or not, we are predominantly social and in youth when we can do as we please, wherever we like. In final years, it's more about who can come to you. And children are the ones who will be there, in most cases.

Please forgive if I need you to further point out why these posts that are such great examples of the hatred experienced by the childfree? Because I see an opinion at best, some parts more founded than others, but nothing to suggest hate?

I already posted it,but here it is again

www.mumsnet.com/talk/childfree-mumsnetters/5164641-best-part-of-being-childfree?page=1

I don't hate child free people. I highly dislike people who state they hate children. You are entitled to have kids, you are entitled to remain child free. You are not entitled to a child free world. Children exist and I am getting so pissed off with the amount of crap I see about children making noise, children being on planes, children being in public, they exist and will continue to.
Decent parents will raise their children to be respectful, decent and kind human beings. You have to tolerate all different types of people. Treat everyone kindly.

All this talk about certain people only being allowed this and that....everyone should be entitled to safe and clean housing, having enough money to live and thrive with, that shouldn't come with terms and conditions if you have kids.

I’m 51 this year and yes, it’s all started to calm down. For me the worst time was my mid-40’s when I suddenly acquired lots of unwanted advice about how I’d better hurry up and pop one out before it got too late. As someone who was infertile at 30 I don’t see how that was biologically possible.
I wasn’t that fussed anyway. If it happened then I’d have probably liked being a parent but it didn’t so I didn’t get to find out.
I don’t think that most parents do really care if someone is childfree or not. But there are always the sneery ones who like to think that they are superior because they reproduced. I guess that before kids they were superior about other things because the real divide, in my opinion, is between normal people getting on with life….and complete arseholes who have to sneer and snide and insult.

This is all very childish tit for tat.

Surely you can use a better example than one post in a thread from 9 months ago?

because you couldn’t have told a porkie? Hence me saying “I will take a punt”

Of course I don’t hate child free people. However it annoys the fuck out of me when childfree people or people that had young children a very long time ago try and tell me how to parent. Also annoying from someone with kids, but slightly less so

Do you have the link to those threads you quote from @KimberleyClark ?