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Are SEN case workers to be trusted?

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Ricecakesaremyjam · 05/04/2025 18:37

Are local authority SEN case workers to be trusted? Do they work to serve the child, or on behalf of the school who aren’t delivering EHCP interventions?
Can anyone advise?! Thanks x

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Mumofsend · 12/04/2025 19:46

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 19:21

And yet some people on this thread claim this could never happen.

I have heard it myself while working in the system.

It's so upsetting as a parent having your experiences disregarded like some other posters are doing with statements like "OK. Sure." Or them claiming that when you've caught a Case Officer lying red handed that they probably just "forgot". It makes parents feel like professionals really fucking hate us.

The one poster who called LA "evil", her child hadn't just suffered but had suffered catastrophically and spent months in a mental health hospital, which only happens when their life is at risk.

Thank you for your work and balanced opinion by the way.

Oh it absolutely does happen. The very long story of how I ended up in my job started with my own awful experience with a SEND manager who told me that it didn't matter my 6 year old had received 0 SALT provision because it wasn't going to make any difference anyway. The written response was absolutely hideous. I took it to the ombudsman and was successful. Once he did receive the owed SALT and we were all able to support him with the help of the therapist he made huge progress but he was written off aged 6 by someone who had never met him.

We do what we can within our team to raise these problems but these are also the officers that seem to end up in management positions before long as they align more with the LA's priorities.

There are also fabulous case officers who go above and beyond. There's about 7 within our LA that come to mind, who are frequently working 12 hour days and weekends. Who are good at challenging poor reports and and doing their absolute best to advocate to get the right decisions. Many only last 2 or 3 months before realising they can't stay. Others do their best but aren't in the position to just quit their jobs so try and do their best within the confines of a broken system. It's easy to say they can't be trusted because they stay but lots of us need our jobs and it's not always straight forward to just leave.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:43

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:12

Because the LA wouldn’t be able to meet any of its statutory duties and would therefore have to declare itself not fit for purpose. It has to hit rock bottom instead of well meaning and misguided individuals like you preventing that from happening.

I work to support children in care access all the support available to them, EHCP if appropriate, PEP funding, mental health services. Please explain how I am preventing the system from being overhauled.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:41

thinkingofausername · 12/04/2025 19:19

That's already happening.

You think the current situation I
Now is the same as if every case workers in the land walked out.

Our SEND team wrote 245 plans this week. They might not be perfect and they will definitely be later than they should be but they are there. Creating a right of appeal, putting provision in place etc. If you multiply that up and down the land it thinks it's flippant to say the the current situation, whilst undoubtedly in crisis, is it bad as if the thousands of caseworkers around the country suddenly left.

I get that you are frustrated and that is where this comment comes from. And I agree about needing to overhaul the system, it's just not fit for purpose and was designed for a totally different time and situation.

Lyannaa · 12/04/2025 19:30

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 18:47

Bog off with your victim hood nonsense. If you can only make points by name calling you're argument is very flawed.

I can't be arsed, I'm trying to cook tea, not participate in preparation of a fucking tribunal bundle.

If you want to believe all tribunal panels are flawless, knock yourself out I cannot be bothered convincing you otherwise.

All you ant to hear is LAs are awful and SEND parents (apart from me obvs) are saints who are wronged at every turn. There is no nuance or variability to this of course.

Oh I’m name calling. Read your own posts!

If you can’t be bothered to answer my questions after writing several essays on here then I pretty much rest my case.

As for the tribunal process, my solicitor told me that in his experience the outcomes were 98% fair. He was prepping me for the reality that if I didn’t win, that was the fair decision.

They won’t be ‘perfect’ but I’ll tell you what, they’re a whole lot fairer than LA behaviour because the only skin in the game tribunal panels have is to be fair!!!

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 19:29

Bushmillsbabe · 12/04/2025 19:20

I'm sure you haven't, but there are a small chunk of parents who do. Who move from therapist to therapist due to making complaint after complaint, ones who, even after 20 years in the job, I worry when I get a message from and need to call back, ones where we always visit in 2's for our own safety, where nothing we ever do is quite good enough. As a senior member of staff I get more of these. I give a certain amount of leeway as I know these families are under huge stress, but there is a limit to how many times you can be shouted and sworn at, racially abused, told i know nothing because i am a women. And we can't refuse to see the children due to the behaviour of the parents.

Like teachers, this behaviour by a small minority is pushing skilled professionals into private practice, making waiting lists longer and provision worse.

This is obviously terrible behaviour and I'm sorry you've had this happen to you. I'm glad it's a minority of parents.

I still wouldn't trust LA staff though. I say this after personal and professional experience. This is a systematic issue and it appears quite a few people have similar experiences.

Professionals should always be held to a higher standard than families who are stressed, unpaid and their own beloved children are at risk.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 19:21

Mumofsend · 12/04/2025 19:12

It's difficult. The vast majority are genuinely well meaning even if not always competent or able to challenge effectively. Communication is a huge issue.

My LA has about 30 case officers and there are maybe 3 or 4 who I would not trust as far as I could throw them. We've had to raise internal concerns due to deliberate misleading of parents that we can evidence. The biggest issue though is these 3/4 seem to have an absolute contempt for parents and seem to resent parents for being parents. We've had to raise more than once about the way these case officers have spoken about children to their families (and behind their backs). But 3/4 out of 30 shows it is not case officers as a whole.

Competence is definitely more of an issue. We have a few i can only describe as being away with the fairies and you have to remind them lots to follow through but it isn't the same deliberate bad intentions.

And yet some people on this thread claim this could never happen.

I have heard it myself while working in the system.

It's so upsetting as a parent having your experiences disregarded like some other posters are doing with statements like "OK. Sure." Or them claiming that when you've caught a Case Officer lying red handed that they probably just "forgot". It makes parents feel like professionals really fucking hate us.

The one poster who called LA "evil", her child hadn't just suffered but had suffered catastrophically and spent months in a mental health hospital, which only happens when their life is at risk.

Thank you for your work and balanced opinion by the way.

Bushmillsbabe · 12/04/2025 19:20

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 15:45

I have never, particularly having worked in the system myself, treated professionals like my "own personal punchbag". In fact, many times on this thread people have said parents have posted nasty things and then not identified any nasty posts.

Some senior Case Managers and locum Case Officers are on salaries over £60k, I've seen them advertised.

I understand it should be evidence based but as someone said earlier, some LAs don't even take school evidence as evidence! I really can't go into details (although I want to) but in my area at least there are examples of Case Officers not even being allowed (so not their fault) to make very obvious decisions based on evidence available but then policies prohibit certain (very high need) children accessing services based on technicalities like what type of school they go to.

I'm sure you haven't, but there are a small chunk of parents who do. Who move from therapist to therapist due to making complaint after complaint, ones who, even after 20 years in the job, I worry when I get a message from and need to call back, ones where we always visit in 2's for our own safety, where nothing we ever do is quite good enough. As a senior member of staff I get more of these. I give a certain amount of leeway as I know these families are under huge stress, but there is a limit to how many times you can be shouted and sworn at, racially abused, told i know nothing because i am a women. And we can't refuse to see the children due to the behaviour of the parents.

Like teachers, this behaviour by a small minority is pushing skilled professionals into private practice, making waiting lists longer and provision worse.

thinkingofausername · 12/04/2025 19:19

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:16

So what would happen to all of the kids who are awaiting a plan or placement or get perm wxcluded etc during that process. Do we just write them off for the good of future generation? Do I take it we aren't including your kids in these written off cohorts?

This is a fanciful suggestion and just wouldn't lead to that outcome.

That's already happening.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:16

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:12

Because the LA wouldn’t be able to meet any of its statutory duties and would therefore have to declare itself not fit for purpose. It has to hit rock bottom instead of well meaning and misguided individuals like you preventing that from happening.

So what would happen to all of the kids who are awaiting a plan or placement or get perm wxcluded etc during that process. Do we just write them off for the good of future generation? Do I take it we aren't including your kids in these written off cohorts?

This is a fanciful suggestion and just wouldn't lead to that outcome.

thinkingofausername · 12/04/2025 19:14

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:06

But are they untrustworthy characters just because of th job they do? That is the title of the thread...

Yes. Even if they are of good character, they cannot be trusted because they are forced to follow LAs policies and ignore law.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 19:14

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:10

So if all the case officers left, explain to me how that would improve delays, waitlist and capacity.

Step by step...

Is a 'just following orders' defence enough though?

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:12

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:10

So if all the case officers left, explain to me how that would improve delays, waitlist and capacity.

Step by step...

Because the LA wouldn’t be able to meet any of its statutory duties and would therefore have to declare itself not fit for purpose. It has to hit rock bottom instead of well meaning and misguided individuals like you preventing that from happening.

thinkingofausername · 12/04/2025 19:12

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:05

Okay. Sure.

Now who's delusional!

Mumofsend · 12/04/2025 19:12

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:06

But are they untrustworthy characters just because of th job they do? That is the title of the thread...

It's difficult. The vast majority are genuinely well meaning even if not always competent or able to challenge effectively. Communication is a huge issue.

My LA has about 30 case officers and there are maybe 3 or 4 who I would not trust as far as I could throw them. We've had to raise internal concerns due to deliberate misleading of parents that we can evidence. The biggest issue though is these 3/4 seem to have an absolute contempt for parents and seem to resent parents for being parents. We've had to raise more than once about the way these case officers have spoken about children to their families (and behind their backs). But 3/4 out of 30 shows it is not case officers as a whole.

Competence is definitely more of an issue. We have a few i can only describe as being away with the fairies and you have to remind them lots to follow through but it isn't the same deliberate bad intentions.

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:11

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:06

But are they untrustworthy characters just because of th job they do? That is the title of the thread...

Yes. Utterly. And you’ve demonstrated that in your own posts again and again. You may think yourself to be a moral arbiter but actually you’re not doing your job properly. If you were, you’d be acting lawfully.

StrivingForSleep · 12/04/2025 19:10

Naming a school when it is (legally) inappropriate for provision to be made in a school and the LA employees have acknowledged such in writing. Refusing to issue an EHCP on the basis the child is in an independent school. Yes, the LA put this in writing. Refusing to assess despite the child being in an early years assessment placement, in receipt of early years inclusion funding and already having had EP and SALT reports. I could go on.

Capacity and limited resources are not lawful excuses for acting unlawfully, though.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:10

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:08

You personally can:

  1. Follow the law

or

  1. Leave.

So if all the case officers left, explain to me how that would improve delays, waitlist and capacity.

Step by step...

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 19:08

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:04

You are overestimating what individuals can do. I work in an LA team. If I want to agree to fund something both managers and I have to agree the paperwork and the finance officer who makes a Bacs payment checks this. When my account on the it systems was set up, it includes my authorisation levels.
Their.work is randomly scrutinized. What do you think individuals can do? Schools won't agree placements with a car officer, they know the drill, they ask for the panel date and the specifics of what was agreed.
What you're suggesting is not physically possible.

You personally can:

  1. Follow the law

or

  1. Leave.
CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:06

Mumofsend · 12/04/2025 19:02

I am an officer at my local IAS service.

There are incredible case officers, there are case officers who should be sacked immediately. However, no matter how good or bad they are, no matter how well intentioned they are they are all just mouth pieces for management decisions.

They can only put in content that is as good as the reports they get. They don't make the decisions. They have very little say.

But some are absolutely diabolical.

But are they untrustworthy characters just because of th job they do? That is the title of the thread...

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:05

thinkingofausername · 12/04/2025 17:50

It's not deluded. It is happening. Repeatedly.

This is not my opinion. This is fact.

Okay. Sure.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:04

Laughingdoggo · 12/04/2025 18:41

Yes. Absolutely. If the LA were properly held to account and made to follow the law, for each and every case, they would quite likely have to declare that they’re about to go bust. Then the mechanism is that central government step in and ensure that the statutory duties are discharged and usually another set of management are brought in too.

And that’s what needs to happen.

By your misguided efforts in trying to do what you can with an inadequate budget, you become part of the problem. And your solidly unlawful stance means that the most vulnerable members of society get fucked over - the very people that you personally purport to be helping.

So either follow the law or go and do something else.
There. Fixed that for you.

You are overestimating what individuals can do. I work in an LA team. If I want to agree to fund something both managers and I have to agree the paperwork and the finance officer who makes a Bacs payment checks this. When my account on the it systems was set up, it includes my authorisation levels.
Their.work is randomly scrutinized. What do you think individuals can do? Schools won't agree placements with a car officer, they know the drill, they ask for the panel date and the specifics of what was agreed.
What you're suggesting is not physically possible.

Mumofsend · 12/04/2025 19:02

I am an officer at my local IAS service.

There are incredible case officers, there are case officers who should be sacked immediately. However, no matter how good or bad they are, no matter how well intentioned they are they are all just mouth pieces for management decisions.

They can only put in content that is as good as the reports they get. They don't make the decisions. They have very little say.

But some are absolutely diabolical.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 19:01

StrivingForSleep · 12/04/2025 18:47

I agree with you about SENDIASS, Some are good, but far too many repeat the LA’s unlawful policies. I also agree about some advocates. Whilst some are good, there are some who do more harm than good. Neither of which excuse unlawful behaviour by LAs. If LAs and other services acted lawfully, the demand for such services would dramatically reduce.

Can you give me some examples of LA decisions, that aren't down to delays/performance due to capacity or limited resources.

It's too easy to repeat these catchphrases 'unlawful decisions' like the bloody middle aged SEND team down at the town hall are a bunch of master criminals ...

Give actual examples ..

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 18:59

Lyannaa · 12/04/2025 18:46

It’s not our problem. We have enough on our plates so forgive me - I’m rather disinclined to get my tiny violin out for the poor LAs who can’t possibly provide children with what they need.

How would it go down for you if your house was burgled and the police did nothing? This is happening atm because of stretched resources.

You don't care. Which is right and proper for a parent but not professionals. . That is the crux of it.

CleverButScatty · 12/04/2025 18:53

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 12/04/2025 18:47

Surely saying some advocates are "crap" is the same as saying some Case Officers are crap? I mean, that's the exact word I would use for a lot of Case Officers, definitely not evil but certainly a bit crap.

Some people in any profession will be crap. That is not the same as untrustworthy (the point being debates on this thread).
However case workers get paid a flat salary regardless, whereas there are some (certainly not all) advocates charging by the hour, and there who have a personal financial gain to be made pursuing inappropriate courses of action for their own financial gain.
I emphasise not all. A significant minority ruining things for the others.we just need regulation of th advocacy industry.