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Are SEN case workers to be trusted?

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Ricecakesaremyjam · 05/04/2025 18:37

Are local authority SEN case workers to be trusted? Do they work to serve the child, or on behalf of the school who aren’t delivering EHCP interventions?
Can anyone advise?! Thanks x

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CleverButScatty · 07/04/2025 20:37

Bushmillsbabe · 07/04/2025 20:30

@DisabledCaseworker in your comment 16.29, it looks like you are referring to special schools as asylums, apologies if I have not read this correctly?

Definitely agree re unscrupulous private HCP's, I have lost count if the times I have seen ridiculous levels of physiotherapy stipulated by private physio's, which is actually potentially harmful by removing children from their classrooms for significant periods of time, to carry out treatments which are not evidence based, with no clear functional goals, creating unrealistic expectations in the child and family and harming the therapeutic relationship.

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I think she's likening the attitude of mainstream schools trying to get all the SEND learners off roll to special schools to the historical approach of putting disabled children out of sight on asylums . I.e. they just want rid.

Bushmillsbabe · 07/04/2025 20:30

@DisabledCaseworker in your comment 16.29, it looks like you are referring to special schools as asylums, apologies if I have not read this correctly?

Definitely agree re unscrupulous private HCP's, I have lost count if the times I have seen ridiculous levels of physiotherapy stipulated by private physio's, which is actually potentially harmful by removing children from their classrooms for significant periods of time, to carry out treatments which are not evidence based, with no clear functional goals, creating unrealistic expectations in the child and family and harming the therapeutic relationship.

Bushmillsbabe · 07/04/2025 20:25

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We did actually trial this, HCP's, caseworkers and parents met together and agreed aims, outcomes, provision. It was brilliant, but extremely time consuming, not only the meeting itself, but arranging a time to get everyone round the table. As a HCP my role encompasses at least 7 different clinics in a standard week, often joint with other professionals, so not easy for me to re arrange. And sometimes parents didn't turn up for various different reasons, and re arranging meetings then delayed the draft EHCP, which parents also were unhappy with, along with their review and treatment appointments being delayed due to HCP's being in meetings. Parents were consulted around their priorities, and they expressed a preference for being seen quicker and EHCPs being completed quicker over HCP's being present in the EHCP drafting meetings.
Saying all that, I do think one HCP should be present, to give better context than can be detailed in a written report.

thinkingofausername · 07/04/2025 20:06

CleverButScatty · 07/04/2025 19:36

She's attacking the lone caseworker posting on here, suggesting that she is incompetent and lying without any experience of her work or caseload.

The caseworker that told her to fuck off and numerous other expletives? The caseworker that claims parents demanding horse riding and drumming lessons represent the majority of SEN parents and are to blame for LAs breaking the law?

Sure...blame @Bluebell865for bullying with one sarcastic comment.

TBF, it sums up your whole attitude on this thread.

Bluebell865 · 07/04/2025 19:44

CleverButScatty · 07/04/2025 19:36

She's attacking the lone caseworker posting on here, suggesting that she is incompetent and lying without any experience of her work or caseload.

I am not attacking anyone. I am just stating the obvious (that some of the claims here about parents of children with SN simply fighting for a basic education) are absurd. I know you have a bee in your bonnet about me but I am just stating some cold hard truths. Doesn't matter if you like them or not. Stating facts is not abuse. I don't know why you keep making this accusation over and over again. 🤷

CleverButScatty · 07/04/2025 19:36

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 07/04/2025 17:37

@Bluebell865 are you being sarcastic?

She's attacking the lone caseworker posting on here, suggesting that she is incompetent and lying without any experience of her work or caseload.

CleverButScatty · 07/04/2025 19:35

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Please ignore them. They have no idea. Sadly bullies are not confined to the playground.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 07/04/2025 18:59

I really hate this rhetoric of sharp elbowed parents spoiling it for the real need cases. I've worked in the system and have two disabled children - the amount of times I've thought a parent was asking for something unreasonably is just so small. If children have hugely expensive packages or residential schools etc, at least in my experience, it is due to exceptional need. I have a tiny bit of sympathy for statutory services trying to support some of these extremely high needs young people (looked after children who need 4:1 staffing 24/7 etc), but not much. I've mostly seen stunning incompetence and wilfully unlawful behaviour from Education, Health and Social Care. Some really upsetting stuff to be honest.

StrivingForSleep · 07/04/2025 18:31

Again, social care provision and health care provision which educates or trains is actually special educational provision. Whether you think that is right or not is irrelevant.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 18:26

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StrivingForSleep · 07/04/2025 18:08

@Almahart the LA has a statutory duty to ensure compulsory school aged DC receive a suitable full-time education under section 19 of the Education Act 1996. It is the LA with the ultimate duty. If online provision is not suitable, then online provision does not fulfil that duty. The LA must provide something that is suitable. F2F provision is not, legally, unreasonable. If the LA is refusing to provide suitable full-time education, the person you know can force them to. Advise them to look into a pre-action letter.

I may not agree with the things requested by parents that should be funded by social care or health

Regardless of who you think should fund provision, the legislation states SCP and HCP which educates or trains is actually SEP. Therefore, it belongs in F, so is ultimately the responsibility of the LA.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 17:55

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SomethingInnocuousForNow · 07/04/2025 17:37

Bluebell865 · 07/04/2025 17:22

Common, these aren't malicious acts. Poor caseworker just have been stressed by the horse riding obsessed parental brigade. None of this will have anything to do with the case worker not being up to the job (for whatever reason) and all to do with families making ridiculous demands by the bucket load.

@Bluebell865 are you being sarcastic?

Bluebell865 · 07/04/2025 17:22

thinkingofausername · 07/04/2025 15:14

Well, that's what a caseworker should be doing, but chances are they aren't.

Just in the last year;

  1. SAR showed caseworker refusing to consult parental preference.
  2. When forced to consult by manager after a stage 1 complaint, then lying about the outcome. Again, proved by SAR.
  3. SAR showed certain documents conveniently omitted
  4. Draft EHCP copied and pasted from a historic out of date one still talking about DC wetting themselves when that had been removed in 2021.
  5. 6 months of ignored emails and calls.
  6. Caseworker "forgetting" to actually tell me DC had a school place
  7. Caseworker deliberately not contacting me to tell me of start date
  8. Caseworker giving false information about transport application (caught out at tribunal)
  9. Caseworker giving false evidence to CC representative for tribunal
10. Caseworker failing to attend KS transfer AR 11. Caseworker lying about evidence needed for panel 12. Caseworker lying to me about policy 13. Caseworker lying about law (whenever I quoted at her that needed an email to supervisor to check)

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. And that spans at least 5 different caseworkers.

Common, these aren't malicious acts. Poor caseworker just have been stressed by the horse riding obsessed parental brigade. None of this will have anything to do with the case worker not being up to the job (for whatever reason) and all to do with families making ridiculous demands by the bucket load.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 16:57

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StrivingForSleep · 07/04/2025 16:56

Then the LA obviously won’t agree to the provision and if the parent appeals SENDIST will consider all evidence but not order something that isn’t legally sound. In the unlikely event they do, LAs would challenge the decision.

I never said a caseworker always wrote the EHCP. My point was the OT doesn’t write the EHCP itself.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 16:52

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DancingOctopus · 07/04/2025 16:47

@DisabledCaseworker
It's absolutely brilliant that you are so dedicated. It would be wonderful if more caseworkers were and then parents wouldn't be so cynical.

StrivingForSleep · 07/04/2025 16:34

Provision that is ‘above and beyond’ is not included in EHCPs. Only provision that is reasonably required. If it went above and beyond the law, LAs wouldn’t agree and in the very unlikely event SENDIST erred, LAs wouldn’t be quick to challenge that decision.

EHCPs aren’t written by OTs. Evidence that informs the content of the EHCP may be, but not the EHCP itself.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 16:29

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Laughingdoggo · 07/04/2025 16:11

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They are absolutely extraordinary achievements.

DisabledCaseworker · 07/04/2025 16:07

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Almahart · 07/04/2025 16:03

I know many many parents who are trying to get some form of education for their children at the moment. One person I know has only just put in an application for an EHCP five months after her child crashing out of school aged 13 and even now the school are saying he won't get one. He's eligible for hospital outreach programme but can't engage online. I know lots of others in similar situations. The only time I've heard of horses is when a child is so broken they can't access anything other than therapeutic provision with animals. I just don't recognise this drumming/ horse riding thing

Sheeparelooseagain · 07/04/2025 15:55

"Apparently by dint of this, you’re a grabby arse who spoils it for everyone"

I suspect I'm considered that by some when I just want my child to have an education rather than the nothing he is getting now.