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Can I refuse to go on a PIP if I don’t agree with it?

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Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:41

Do I have any rights? I feel like this has come out of the blue and absolutely do not feel it is justified. Can I do anything?

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Noshferatu · 14/03/2025 15:58

Oh OP I’m sorry I misunderstood. Good luck with it all x

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Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:58

FortyElephants · 14/03/2025 15:56

Is it a formal PIP or informal?
the next steps after a formal PIP are role adjustments and if no improvement then termination.

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@FortyElephants a formal pip has been suggested. What would role adjustments be? A pay cut? Change of hours?

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TouchOfSilverShampoo · 14/03/2025 15:58

I’m pretty sure my employee is going to argue every fact on their PIP. Doesn’t stop the fact they are almost totally incapable in a professional capacity and too self-absorbed to be told otherwise.

I can evidence every point though.

I know it’s not fun op but being combative won’t help your case at all. You need to work WITH them or leave.

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Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:57

BillyNoProblems · 14/03/2025 15:55

Are you in a sales job? If so, are you meeting your targets?

If you're not in a sales role, honestly, your time is done in this role. I have been managing for 20 years and if you're being put on a PIP it's because you're not a good fit for what they need. Are they offering you a package to leave?

Either way, you need to find a new role.

@BillyNoProblems not sales. It’s an office job. I don’t accept the criticism he has levelled at me and in fact can show that other professionals in my role would have produced similar work. I am very confident about that (although also quite distressed that this is happening)

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FortyElephants · 14/03/2025 15:56

Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:54

@LetMeGoogleThat thank you. What would the next stage be?

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Is it a formal PIP or informal?
the next steps after a formal PIP are role adjustments and if no improvement then termination.

BillyNoProblems · 14/03/2025 15:55

Are you in a sales job? If so, are you meeting your targets?

If you're not in a sales role, honestly, your time is done in this role. I have been managing for 20 years and if you're being put on a PIP it's because you're not a good fit for what they need. Are they offering you a package to leave?

Either way, you need to find a new role.

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Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:54

LetMeGoogleThat · 14/03/2025 15:45

You can refuse, but that would just invoke the next stage and you'll end up going through the disciplinary process.

@LetMeGoogleThat thank you. What would the next stage be?

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Gamecha · 14/03/2025 15:53

FortyElephants · 14/03/2025 15:43

She doesn't mean personal independence payments she means performance improvement plan.

OP you will face real difficulties if you refuse to go on a PIP. You may find yourself getting managed out. Why don't you agree with it? Do you have a union?

@FortyElephants it would take me ages to explain why I don’t agree with it. But I am very firm in my view that this was my manager’s objective rather than any deficiencies in my work. I don’t have a union.

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LetMeGoogleThat · 14/03/2025 15:45

You can refuse, but that would just invoke the next stage and you'll end up going through the disciplinary process.

NowYouSee · 14/03/2025 15:44

I assume the OP means a personal improvement plan.

OP have a look at any work capability policies, that may set out the steps and process. If you are in a union speak to them immediately.

BodenCardiganNot · 14/03/2025 15:44

Are you talking about a Performance Improvement Plan at work?

FortyElephants · 14/03/2025 15:43

She doesn't mean personal independence payments she means performance improvement plan.

OP you will face real difficulties if you refuse to go on a PIP. You may find yourself getting managed out. Why don't you agree with it? Do you have a union?

Noshferatu · 14/03/2025 15:42

Why would you though? You must have difficulties to be awarded PIP?

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/03/2025 15:41

What do you mean by PIP?