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To be sick of hearing about 'the housing crisis'?

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GoldfinchFeather · 10/02/2025 09:03

This is related to the thread about Angela Rayner wanting to build 1.5 million new homes. Is anyone else sick to the back teeth of hearing about the supposed housing crisis in this country?

I live in a semi-rural area, and the amount of house building around here over the last few years has been crazy. Hundreds of houses appearing on pretty much any vacant piece of land, turning what was once a small village into something that feels closer to a town in size. Roads getting busier and busier, and and all the while nothing has been done to provide any new facilities like doctors or schools.

I understand people's frustration of not being able to buy a home. But surely just concreting over more and more of the countryside is completely unsustainable?

If the housing crisis is really so bad, why isn't the Government taking more of an innovative approach? How many town centres/high streets have empty shops that could be converted to residential use? Or properties that have stood empty for years and haven't been brought back to market? Surely just through that, there would be an enormous surplus of homes available, and less need to concrete over more and more of the countryside?

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Duckinahat · 10/02/2025 10:46

AnonymousBleep · 10/02/2025 10:44

For younger and single people, and also pensioners, flats are the obvious solution. As someone said upthread - they're much more common abroad. Families live in flats and nobody thinks anything of it. We just seem to have this obsession in the UK about having to own an actual house to be a fully formed adult and especially if we have children - our entire economy is literally built on this pretext! And that's not a good thing. A flat with a balcony is a really practical way of living. I'll downsize to a flat in the future - the problem being that there aren't loads of nice flats around, because they really only seem to be built for retirement purposes.

Is it because our soundproofing standards are so bad that flats get a bad reputation? Also leaseholders seem to be seen as an excuse to make money.

Cattery · 10/02/2025 10:46

wherearemypastnames · 10/02/2025 09:29

Housing crisis

It's children dying from their living conditions - I shouldn't have to go further

It's people pushed into poverty because rents and house prices are at such a high level relative to income - because of the shortage / unfair sharing of houses

It's high nursery costs - the biggest cost for most nurseries isn't staff but the building - that can be ten times the staff costs

It's high care costs for the same reason and that is pushed into ever higher council taxes to pay someone to get rich on the building

It's higher taxes to pay for housing of people on low incomes from new mums to pensioners

And all that money disappears to a relatively small Group of banks and wealthy landlords - anyone getting a renter to pay of a mortgae for them is sitting on wealth

And sitting on wealth doesn't help the uk - it won't trickle down anywhere

So you might be sick of it and you might not like the building of new homes but tough

Although we may need far less if we could stop people hoarding homes - one family one home

A perfect explanation. The rich are snapping up multiple houses. No wealth trickles down. It sickens me that families have nowhere to live because people don’t want new estates built anywhere near them. It’s selfish to the core and we can thank Thatcher who declared “there is no such thing as society”. What a gem she was.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 10/02/2025 10:45

I have to agree that it is not about hoses to buy, but houses for rent & social housing.

We have 3 new "suburbs" built in our town. (Size wise the equivalent of 5 former crop farms, someare built on flood plains.)
With that we get 2 new large primary schools- but 3 smaller village schools have closed. No secondary schools are being built, no Dr surgery, hospital, ....
The affordable hoses are around 270k for a 2 bed mid terrace.... But you have to keep in mind that the infrastructure and available jobs is warehouseing.

Someone is making money while others are stuck in inadequate housing.

My only hope is, that with all these homes being built, the prices should come down eventually.

AnonymousBleep · 10/02/2025 10:44

Wingingitnancy · 10/02/2025 10:18

I agree. I think if they built flats with people living in mind (better insulation, sound proof) they would be a long-term option lucrative option.
I like flat living, I find it much more practical on one floor, shared gardens i can enjoy and don't need to worry about gardening. There are a lot of positives. But they are seen as negatively and not sought after therefore not much thought or investment goes into building them to be realistic accommodation and they prefer to focus on houses which isn't cost-effective, affordable to many people and take up a lot of space.

Flats if built with thought could be a great option for families on a tight budget. (Bills would be cheaper, in one flat I lived in never had to put heating on, as my flat was toasty from the other properties heating 😂)

For younger and single people, and also pensioners, flats are the obvious solution. As someone said upthread - they're much more common abroad. Families live in flats and nobody thinks anything of it. We just seem to have this obsession in the UK about having to own an actual house to be a fully formed adult and especially if we have children - our entire economy is literally built on this pretext! And that's not a good thing. A flat with a balcony is a really practical way of living. I'll downsize to a flat in the future - the problem being that there aren't loads of nice flats around, because they really only seem to be built for retirement purposes.

kellygoeswest · 10/02/2025 10:43

same, I wish I were in a position to be sick of hearing about it, but unfortunately that's a luxury that the many of us who are struggling with the cost of living don't have.

Matilda761 · 10/02/2025 10:43

We are importing a population the size of Leeds every year. Is it any wonder that there is a housing crisis?

Springsunflower · 10/02/2025 10:41

But you also have people playing the system.everyone round here knows you get evicted by your landlord,you don't help yourself and find another house ,you wait and get evicted,from there you get temporary accommodation in a local town ,while you wait to be allowed to bid on houses you want .
Temporary accommodation being a premier inn.
I know of two families in the last year who went in to temporary accommodation in a b and b ...both had parents who worked and could afford to rent ,but wanted the security of a council house .so the whole family in one room with 4 beds a microwave and kettle for the best part of a year ..but they say it was worth it to get their new build council house.
One of these families had£50 grand in the bank from the sale of their house .
And the other had two good incomes ,and a child doing GCSEs in that one room they all lived in for a year ..
I know that's only two families,out of millions ,just seems odd to me ,to put their kids though all that ,rather than rent

TreeSquirrel · 10/02/2025 10:41

There is a housing crisis as there are simply not enough homes of all types (social rent, private rent and sale) for those who need them.

Frankly NIMBYs whose own homes were built on fields at a time when house prices were very low have had far too much ability to block much-needed developments for too long. The government is absolutely right to put a stop to it so that homes can be provided for those who need them.

TitusMoan · 10/02/2025 10:41

Tricho · 10/02/2025 10:40

Privileged person is sick of hearing about a crisis that doesn't affect them.

How novel.

This x1000

Proudtobeanortherner · 10/02/2025 10:41

GoldfinchFeather · 10/02/2025 09:03

This is related to the thread about Angela Rayner wanting to build 1.5 million new homes. Is anyone else sick to the back teeth of hearing about the supposed housing crisis in this country?

I live in a semi-rural area, and the amount of house building around here over the last few years has been crazy. Hundreds of houses appearing on pretty much any vacant piece of land, turning what was once a small village into something that feels closer to a town in size. Roads getting busier and busier, and and all the while nothing has been done to provide any new facilities like doctors or schools.

I understand people's frustration of not being able to buy a home. But surely just concreting over more and more of the countryside is completely unsustainable?

If the housing crisis is really so bad, why isn't the Government taking more of an innovative approach? How many town centres/high streets have empty shops that could be converted to residential use? Or properties that have stood empty for years and haven't been brought back to market? Surely just through that, there would be an enormous surplus of homes available, and less need to concrete over more and more of the countryside?

We don’t have a housing crisis. We have a problem with builders wanting ongoing easy money. We can build houses anywhere. We can’t produce food anywhere. We should not be building anything on any greenfield sites until ALL brownfield sites have been developed. Jobs are largely in or near towns. Houses should be built near jobs not in the middle of nowhere. That’s just contributing to climate change so it’s a double whammy.

TitusMoan · 10/02/2025 10:40

insomniaclife · 10/02/2025 09:37

I must admit to being stupid. There are so many new build estates going up in my semi urban part of SE but I don't understand how building 100s of "executive" and "family" homes all pricey af help to release properties for social housing or homeless/badly housed people?

Exactly - it won’t and you’re not stupid.

Developers will make money though…

Tricho · 10/02/2025 10:40

Privileged person is sick of hearing about a crisis that doesn't affect them.

How novel.

hehehesorry · 10/02/2025 10:39

In the north east there are lots of ex colliery houses sitting empty, they should tear them down and build similar if they're not fit for purpose. You can find them on youtube if you search mining ghost towns UK or whatever. New builds are hideous scourges on the countryside

hairbearbunches · 10/02/2025 10:38

Given the numbers who will be coming into Britain over the next 5 years, 5 out of every 7 of Rayner's mythical 1.5 million homes will be taken by immigrants. She was challenged by Trevor Phillips on Sky about this and avoided the question like she'd lost her ears.

We need to stop foreign ownership by people who do not live and pay tax here.

We need to heavily regulate the holiday property market and tax the shit out of AirBnB income.

Compulsorily purchase of the 1,000,000 empty homes at below market rate by local councils to be used for social housing.

Doing just those 3 things would alleviate us having to pave over any more of the countryside. We wouldn't need the 1.5 million homes Rayner is obsessed with delivering.

London and the South East is short of water now. How does forcing another 500,000 houses on them make that problem better? It's fucking nuts.

LindorDoubleChoc · 10/02/2025 10:37

taxguru · 10/02/2025 10:32

The OP isn't being unreasonable. The "plan" to cure the housing shortage really shouldn't be just to build more, often in unsuitable places. We need radical policy changes to bring more existing homes back into residential use, i.e. tackle the huge number of empty homes, the ever increasing number of holiday lets, etc., convert huge swathes of semi empty town centre ex-retail premises back into housing, develop brown and grey field sites, etc. These are places were infrastructure is already in place, i.e. drainage, power, amenities, public transport, etc. Then we need a national plan to spread out the jobs better, transfer some away from the concentration in a very small number of big cities and get them back into the regions, smaller cities, towns, etc - all perfectly feasible due to the internet etc and WFH. Instead of moving "problem" people to the run down areas, move the decent jobs to them and get the workers moving to them which would invigorate them.

Exactly. It isn't NIMBY ism to suggest there are alternative solutions to just building and building.

ServantsGonnaServe · 10/02/2025 10:37

Bumpitybumper · 10/02/2025 09:29

Totally agree. So many town centres are dying and in desperate need of regeneration. Why on earth wouldn't you encourage developers to invest their money into turning these commercial buildings into flats/houses instead of encouraging them to build estates on green belt land? Once more people live in town centres then the shops and restaurants will become more viable again.

I'm glad I've found someone on the same page!

Cities and town centres are perfect for flats and young people who want somewhere central and lively rather than a mid terrace house surrounded by young families on the edge of rural villages that have been over expanded.

The only ones who don't want it are rich investors looking for a nice safe return on office building rent with low risk. It's no coincidence people are being pushed back to offices.

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/02/2025 10:35

There’s nothing “supposed” about it.

Jajajagi · 10/02/2025 10:34

There are 3000 new houses being built in the town I live in and the cheapest is going to be £360,000!

discdiscsnap · 10/02/2025 10:33

I kind of agree there's hundreds of houses for sale in my part of the country . I agree there needs to be more social and affordable housing but from the estates that keep growing where we live there might be a handful of affordable houses (and that's debatable seen as the starting rice is usually 180k for a 2 bed semi shoe box) the rest are all 3 and 4 beds at a quarter of a million plus. And I live in a deprived area.

OldBattyBat · 10/02/2025 10:33

The vast majority of the hundreds (possibly thousands) of houses that have been built within a three mile radius of my home in the past 40 years have been three, four or five-bedroom houses, many of them on what was previously farmland and about a mile away from the centre of the village (where the schools, shops and services are located).

I think what we need more of is higher density housing, within easy walking distance of shops, doctors surgeries etc. So, not more of the crammed-in housing estates, with large houses on tiny plots of land, but flats, maisonettes and the like, with communal green spaces.

taxguru · 10/02/2025 10:32

The OP isn't being unreasonable. The "plan" to cure the housing shortage really shouldn't be just to build more, often in unsuitable places. We need radical policy changes to bring more existing homes back into residential use, i.e. tackle the huge number of empty homes, the ever increasing number of holiday lets, etc., convert huge swathes of semi empty town centre ex-retail premises back into housing, develop brown and grey field sites, etc. These are places were infrastructure is already in place, i.e. drainage, power, amenities, public transport, etc. Then we need a national plan to spread out the jobs better, transfer some away from the concentration in a very small number of big cities and get them back into the regions, smaller cities, towns, etc - all perfectly feasible due to the internet etc and WFH. Instead of moving "problem" people to the run down areas, move the decent jobs to them and get the workers moving to them which would invigorate them.

Hoplolly · 10/02/2025 10:32

PaigeMac · 10/02/2025 09:18

I live in the SW, there is a massive shortage of rental properties ( and those that are available dictate tenants must have a salary out of reach to many normal people )
’Affordable’ 2 beds are being sold for £300k+ WTF!🤬
IMO it’s the type of housing that’s being built thats causing the problem - we need proper council houses and a strict limit on second homes and holiday lets.

I agree. Lots of houses have sprung up near me recently, 4-5-6 bedroomed homes at £650k and upwards. This is what happens when you rely on developers to fill the housing need - they're not interested in building the smaller properties (although they have to provide a quota) because that's not where they make their biggest buck. Their should be proper council-provided homes available for rent, at reasonable rates.

Lovelysummerdays · 10/02/2025 10:31

I do think we need more social housing. The enormous push for shiny new housing estates that are £££s isn’t really going to solve stuff. Also infrastructure. They want to build a new housing scheme in a local village where parking and traffic is a nightmare. I think we need more housing but also need to consider how additional burden on already struggling roads, sewage and local doctors will be managed.

Duckinahat · 10/02/2025 10:31

Fundays12 · 10/02/2025 10:30

There is a huge housing crisis but I think they need to stop building and start using houses that are current unoccupied or in need of refurbishment. In our area they need to ban all air b&B type let's because these are badly needed as homes.

They need to do both. They need to do everything and anything they can.

Fundays12 · 10/02/2025 10:30

There is a huge housing crisis but I think they need to stop building and start using houses that are current unoccupied or in need of refurbishment. In our area they need to ban all air b&B type let's because these are badly needed as homes.

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