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Cricket match boycott? England v Afghanistan, in protest of sex-based apartheid

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DissidentDaughter · 29/12/2024 16:22

Now the Taliban have decreed that women should not even be visible through the windows and in back yards of their own homes.

The punishment meted out for the ‘crime’ of being female is relentless: no access to education, to meaningful health and maternity services, no talking, no singing, condemned to a burkha and life in a darkened house - half the population systematically ‘disappeared’ from Afghan society. Voiceless and invisible.

What the Taliban are enforcing is a ruthless form of apartheid, yet the international community remains strangely silent.

🏏 Why is the England cricket team set to play Afghanistan in February? Surely we, and other participating nations, should be calling for a boycott?

https://x.com/victoriapeckham/status/1873328631357047195?s=61

AIBU It’s only cricket, fundamental human rights abuses are an inconvenient issue that should take a back seat.

YANBU It’s the least we can do to raise the issue of the cruel, sex-based dehumanisation of half the Afghan population.

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https://x.com/victoriapeckham/status/1873328631357047195?s=61

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Lalgarh · 10/08/2026 01:01

The Afghan mens cricket team are playing Ireland later today

https://nitter.net/ThefantasticsL/status/2086432655726330254#m

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 17:35

@NotDonna like a jigsaw puzzle, getting a better picture of things. Thanks for your comments, everyone.

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NotDonna · 30/12/2024 17:16

Interesting thread. I initially thought yes, we should boycott. There’s so much sport washing but I hadn’t realised the complexities. Nor that the team don’t play in Afghanistan.

Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 14:20

We were having quite an amenable discussion there albeit from differing viewpoints. Trivialising it is rather crass.

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 30/12/2024 13:28

They are good and could beat us. Let's boycott just in case.

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 13:22

Yes indeed @Piggywaspushed I’m fairly tuned into that stuff as my OH’s half-brother’s dad is Iranian.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 13:15

As a side note, there is also the complexity of Iranian football and its stance on female spectators.

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 12:32

Reading the comments has got me thinking about how the Afghan teams/players might be feeling - the prospect of playing at championship level, no doubt deserved and with all the positives that sport brings, all the while the Afghan ‘identity’ in the world overshadowed by a complex situation not of their making.

As an aside, this thread puts me in mind of the IOC decision when Russian/Belarusian athletes had to compete as AINs (Individual Neutral Athletes) at the 2022 Olympics. But that’s another story…

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Floralnomad · 30/12/2024 11:17

Also it may be worth pointing out that if people want to protest to the ICC that the other people you need to sway are the Indian Cricket Board as frankly they hold the most sway ( or so it would appear) . In my opinion if India were to stop playing Afghanistan then the ICC would act .

Floralnomad · 30/12/2024 11:14

mitogoshigg · 30/12/2024 08:23

Where does the team even live, I think most if not all are expats

Rashid Khan lives in the UAE I think . He was born in Afghanistan but his family had left during one of the wars and he was ‘discovered’ in Peshawar, Pakistan where the family lived . When Australia first said they were not going to play Afghanistan his response was
I take great pride in representing my country and we have made great progress on the world stage. This decision sets us back on that journey,” he said. “If playing against Afghanistan is so uncomfortable for Australia then I wouldn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable with my presence in the BBL. Therefore I will be strongly considering my future in that competition
He has decided not to play this season .
Australia made it clear in their statement that they were continuing to work with the Afghan cricket board .

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 10:38

Worried1305 · 30/12/2024 10:23

Your post is misleading, OP. England will be playing Afghanistan as part of the Champions Trophy (basically a World Cup), on neutral ground. England, along with Australia, have said they will no longer play Afghanistan in bilateral cricket.

I do agree with your sentiment but the criticism needs to be aimed at the ICC, not England, as it is they who allow Afghanistan to continue competing in global events.

I kind of knew that, but you clarify it so well - accuracy is important, so thank you.

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DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 10:29

Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 08:38

Out of interest, OP, did you care about this in September when the article was written? Or before that even? Did you care about Afghan sportswomen ( or indeed the men ) at any point in the past?

I know Turner herself reposted it but mainly to promote her own journalism.

I’ve been aware of the women’s team for a long while, but it’s helpful to develop my knowledge and perspective, so thanks for your input and links etc.

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Worried1305 · 30/12/2024 10:23

DissidentDaughter · 29/12/2024 16:22

Now the Taliban have decreed that women should not even be visible through the windows and in back yards of their own homes.

The punishment meted out for the ‘crime’ of being female is relentless: no access to education, to meaningful health and maternity services, no talking, no singing, condemned to a burkha and life in a darkened house - half the population systematically ‘disappeared’ from Afghan society. Voiceless and invisible.

What the Taliban are enforcing is a ruthless form of apartheid, yet the international community remains strangely silent.

🏏 Why is the England cricket team set to play Afghanistan in February? Surely we, and other participating nations, should be calling for a boycott?

https://x.com/victoriapeckham/status/1873328631357047195?s=61

AIBU It’s only cricket, fundamental human rights abuses are an inconvenient issue that should take a back seat.

YANBU It’s the least we can do to raise the issue of the cruel, sex-based dehumanisation of half the Afghan population.

Your post is misleading, OP. England will be playing Afghanistan as part of the Champions Trophy (basically a World Cup), on neutral ground. England, along with Australia, have said they will no longer play Afghanistan in bilateral cricket.

I do agree with your sentiment but the criticism needs to be aimed at the ICC, not England, as it is they who allow Afghanistan to continue competing in global events.

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 10:15

NautilusLionfish · 30/12/2024 07:18

I always feel his protests might be imperfect but it's something. I grew up under a dictatorship that disappeared people. That fed people to crocodiles. That burnt people in their homes (oh an accident). Critics had road accidents with inconsistent injuries. So whatever his shortfalls (I don't personally know them) am happy for every dot of criticism especially from an Afghan male.
BTW, what have you been doing for Afghanistan That has been radically women's situation? Changing Taliban policies?

That must have been tough @NautilusLionfish I don’t expect that’s something you forget easily.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 08:38

Out of interest, OP, did you care about this in September when the article was written? Or before that even? Did you care about Afghan sportswomen ( or indeed the men ) at any point in the past?

I know Turner herself reposted it but mainly to promote her own journalism.

mitogoshigg · 30/12/2024 08:23

Where does the team even live, I think most if not all are expats

sashh · 30/12/2024 08:15

DissidentDaughter · 30/12/2024 05:52

I know the west has a complicated history with Afghanistan but the Al Quaeda issue was (still is?) troubling. 20 years wasn’t long enough to effect and consolidate change for such an unstable region.

What an oversight - failing to consult Afghan women’s groups during the withdrawal negotiations. I feel for the young people who never knew life under the Taliban. What a nightmare.

It was more than that, Trump went to the Taliban and made a deal.

Supermonstermaniac · 30/12/2024 08:13

Are you boycotting Isreal for their documented sexual assaults?

helpfulperson · 30/12/2024 08:11

I actually think that these events are more important than ever. we need to ensure that Afghanistan people continue to be involved in and influenced by the rest of the world if there is to be any chance of rebellion against the current regime. They need to see how different the way they live is from the majority of the world and how wrong it is.

Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 08:01

Interesting viewpoint from an actual Afghan woman cricketer (I'm not clear what Turner actually knows or understands about cricket). Bit old now but raises important issues. Not least that Afghan women are not going to be able to play in the country for the foreseeable future and what is needed is support for exiled cricketers - men and women - form the international sports community.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/58595784

A girl plays cricket in Afghanistan

Afghanistan women's cricket team: Why a boycott wouldn't help country's players

Why a boycott of Afghanistan's men's cricket team would harm country's women's players.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/58595784

Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 07:40

You haven't said it but, for clarity, in case anyone comes to this thread, the team don't play in Afghanistan (obviously) and they don't play under the Taliban flag - in itself an act of defiance.

Yes, at present , the Taliban regime seems to be attempting sportwashing via appearing to promote cricket success but they vacillate enormously on this stance. Sportswashing is everywhere .

It's more complex than Janice Turner makes out. Where the SA all white team did not speak out against apartheid (in fact many were supporters) , the Afghan cricket team have. Cricket did set up a woman's team which also now plays in exile but cricket itself is a relatively 'new' (or renewed) sport in Afghanistan and was always traditionally seen as a ray of hope - obviously the return of the Taliban added awful complexity to this. This again is different from SA who wanted to remain as leaders on the world stage in cricket . If we had played SA at cricket we would have travelled to SA and participated in segregation on and off the pitch.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2024 07:36

NautilusLionfish · 30/12/2024 07:18

I always feel his protests might be imperfect but it's something. I grew up under a dictatorship that disappeared people. That fed people to crocodiles. That burnt people in their homes (oh an accident). Critics had road accidents with inconsistent injuries. So whatever his shortfalls (I don't personally know them) am happy for every dot of criticism especially from an Afghan male.
BTW, what have you been doing for Afghanistan That has been radically women's situation? Changing Taliban policies?

Totally agree with this. It's something.

Piggywaspushed · 30/12/2024 07:18

The history of Afghan Cricket is very interesting. The sport was banned under the Taliban and all the pitches were requisitioned. The sport rose from the ashes as a fight back. It is worth reading up on this. There was a book and a documentary. The sport was at the centre of trying to protect girls and women at one point (there was an amazing cricket based charity called Afghan connection).

NautilusLionfish · 30/12/2024 07:18

DeathNote11 · 30/12/2024 06:29

He's a sympathy garnering stooge & you've fallen for it.

I always feel his protests might be imperfect but it's something. I grew up under a dictatorship that disappeared people. That fed people to crocodiles. That burnt people in their homes (oh an accident). Critics had road accidents with inconsistent injuries. So whatever his shortfalls (I don't personally know them) am happy for every dot of criticism especially from an Afghan male.
BTW, what have you been doing for Afghanistan That has been radically women's situation? Changing Taliban policies?

NautilusLionfish · 30/12/2024 07:12

Exactly. At great risk to himself and his family. But it's easier to judge from our safe seats

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