Non-binary colleague using disabled toilet

There are other toilets. They can use the girls toilets if they want rather than disabled toilets.

Again just because you read a manipulated story in the paper doesn't mean you are well-informed. There is and never has been any question of providing surgeries to trans children in the UK.
These are the facts
https://www.nss.nhs.scot/media/3169/foi-000051-gender-reassignment.pdf

Detransition stories are a significant minority; they are being manipulated and amplified by those who want to cut off access to life saving healthcare for all trans children

Life-saving healthcare? I hope you're not suggesting that gender-questioning children who don't get these unresearched, unproven interventions are inevitably going to kill themselves or self-harm. There is no evidence of this, is there? (Which is a good thing, for the avoidance of doubt. Nobody should be making a child or adolescent feel that their life isn't worth living if they can't get these drugs or surgeries.)

Toilets are seperated by sex, not gender identity.
That said, of course they get their own radar key, and of course they're going to use the disabled facilities, because theres no point in special identities if they are without attention and benefit.

are inevitably going to kill themselves or self-harm

Of course they are not "inevitably" going to kill themselves.

But, yes, living with gender dysphoria without access to appropriate medical care can, in some very tragic cases, drive young people to self harm and suicide.

Its always an overstep to make assumptions about what other people who aren't you want and need and make statements on their behalf. Many disabled people may indeed want single sex facilities. Others may prefer them to remain as they are, for example people who are assisted by an opposite sex carer. Some disabled people may think money spent on making facilities single sex could be better spent meeting their needs in a different way. It's not for me to say. That's an entirely respectful position to take, so not sure why you want to present it as me othering disabled people as a 'seperate species' when it's simply an acknowledgement of different needs, about which people with lived experience are the ones who should be listened to.

Go In the toilet for their gender ? You cannot be neither.

Thank you. Your own link confirms that some under 18s in the UK have been referred to be assessed for various forms of surgery, to take place as soon as possible after their 18th birthday.

In addition, we know that some British parents have found the money to send their children to surgeons overseas - notably Susie Green, whose son had genital reconstruction surgery on his 16th birthday. Girls as young as 13 in the US have had double mastectomies. In this one and only respect, thank goodness the NHS is so cash-strapped, or we'd have seen far more of this in this country.

You can't seriously believe claiming that calling transgender people mutilated and mentally ill isn't derogatory?

I define the gender critical brigade as people who are consistently posting on Mumsnet that they are GC and saying things like "mutilated" "mentally ill" "child abuse" "people advocating for gender affirming health care should be in jail" and all other lovely things these people post and then feign confusion when people point out these are nasty things to say about people.

How is it life-saving, then? That usually means surgery and other forms of treatment without which the patient will die from a serious medical condition.

No I didn’t. I said I have empathy for this person in the story and then immediately followed it up by saying I feel for you too.

It is possible to feel that both people have a case here.

*No under 18 year old people have been funded gender reassignment surgery in or from Scotland over the past five years. NHS National Services Scotland does not fund any elements of Gender Reassignment Surgery.

In conjunction with NHS England we only commission the provision of male to female and female to male genital surgery and male to female specialist chest reconstructive surgery from providers within England.

Whilst those under the age of 18 can be referred to surgical providers in England for consultation, no patients under the age of 18 have had their surgery funded by NHS Scotland or NSS prior to them being 18 years of age.*

There is and never has been any question of providing surgeries to trans children in the UK.

However, surgeries are provided in the UK to children under 18 with variations in sex development.

It's life saving because without these treatments gender dysphoria can become so severe that in some cases young people are tragically driven to self harm and suicide.

No you're crossing your wires. The debate I'm commenting on is the one that moved away from disabled toilets a while ago and is entirely about whether transgender people deserve dignity and treatment or not and whether gender affirming care is good or child abuse between @AccidentallyWesAnderson and @Tandora. Wes is claiming the moral high ground as she clearly believes that calling transgender people mutilated and mentally ill as well as thinking that people who believe in gender affirming care should be in jail is morally superior to the views of someone who thinks that transgender people deserve dignity and treatment that enables them to live their life in the happiest way possible for them. She is then boasting that she is glad tandoras wild views are out there for all to see as if it is a public example of someone who is morally bankrupt.

There is no moral superiority in that behaviour, behaviour that is typical of GC posters. I actually find it very unpleasant. As someone who is actually in the middle on this issue and thinks more tolerance is needed, I certainly don't see posts from GC posters and think they seem like lovely people! I want to join them! I actually find their language very off-putting.

then feign confusion when people point out these are nasty things to say about people

Exactly this.

They also call trans people all sorts of derogatory things, deny/ dismiss/ ridicule/ belittle, etc. trans experience, then feign confusion when you point out the transphobia.

I know, I see a lot of it here and it's really unpleasant.

have you read The Cass Review @Tandora which debunks the suicide claims? It's here if you haven't read it. Also, talking about inaccurate suicide links to gender dysphoria in this way is both dangerous and triggering for young people:

cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Cass-Review-Interim-Report-Final-Web-Accessible.pdf

However, surgeries are provided in the UK to children under 18 with variations in sex development.

Of course they are. These children have diagnosed medical conditions which in many cases affect more than just the reproductive system. Specialists in this field discuss with the children and their parents what's involved in their condition, how it's going to affect the child through puberty and into adult life, specifically how it could affect fertility, what surgeons and physicians can do to help, the risks and success rates of any procedures, and so on, and then it's up to the child, if old enough to make an informed decision, and her/his parents to decide what to do. There is a lot of research data available to help with the decision and predicting the outcome. The adverse effects of earlier approaches are now well understood and there's less of a God complex amongst surgeons, from what I've read about this.

This is quite different from offering surgery and drugs to minors whose issues are largely psychological.

Of course I've read the Cass review.

It's absolutely a fact that gender dysphoria, without access to appropriate treatment, can be debilitating enough to drive some young people to self harm and suicide.

There is also ample evidence that trans youth are at particular risk of self harm and suicidal ideation when compared to other children, including LGB children.

They need psychiatric care, then. Name another condition of psychiatric origin where the treatment offered is surgical, not psychiatric.

Anyway, that's me out of the thread now, as it's about to fill up and I have Christmas things to do.

I didn’t say that about transgender people. I do think that modifying your body
still won’t make you the opposite sex you think you are, and will rarely bring happiness.

I said that about medically treating CHILDREN. Providing surgery to teenagers and young adults because of a ‘feeling’ is mutilating them. Same as allowing a person who believes they are disabled to amputate a healthy limb. It is child abuse to prescribe puberty blockers to confused children. Children aren’t born in the wrong body.

Get your facts right, and have a word with yourself if you’re pro ‘gender affirming care’ that’s anything other than intense therapy.

Of course they are.
Why of course? Why do these children have the capacity to consent and not others.

These children have diagnosed medical conditions which in many cases affect more than just the reproductive system
So do trans children.

Specialists in this field discuss with the children and their parents what's involved in their condition, how it's going to affect the child through puberty and into adult life, specifically how it could affect fertility, what surgeons and physicians can do to help, the risks and success rates of any procedures, and so on
Same with trans children.

And then it's up to the child, if old enough to make an informed decision, and her/his parents to decide what to do.
Why is it up to the children and parents in this case and not for trans kids?

There is a lot of research data available to help with the decision and predicting the outcome.
There's a lot of gaps in data and evidence, and challenges in predicting the outcome certainly exist.

The adverse effects of earlier approaches are now well understood
Yes there's more attention to this now. However, these surgeries are still practiced before they are necessary and sometimes without children's consent.

and there's less of a God complex amongst surgeons
Totally subjective and unfalsifiable claim.

And I have just explained what 'gender affirming' healthcare means.

I also think that transgender people deserve dignity and treatment, I haven’t met a GC person who doesn’t. That doesn’t mean affirming them as something they aren’t, and pushing them onto a potentially harmful irreversible pathway, it’s the opposite of kind.

You haven’t even described what you understand being GC is? Or the ‘GC brigade’ as you called it. Not very pleasant sounding.

It’s like coming up with a term to describe people who don’t believe the earth is flat.

Well that is the problem with facts. They are inconvenient and don't respect feelings. Just the way it is..sorry