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Non-binary colleague using disabled toilet

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DefendingPan · 22/12/2024 10:14

Where I work there’s employee male and female toilets, customer male and female toilets and one customer disabled toilet.

This colleague is non-binary, is not disabled, and uses the disabled toilet/ baby change (with their own Radar key) because they “don’t feel comfortable) using either the male or female toilets.

I mentioned to my boss that I didn’t think this was appropriate and got accused of transphobia and threatened with discipline. I was made to feel like I was being offensive and discriminatory for bringing it up.

We have many elderly customers and many young families who all also need to use it.

Was I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
BonfireToffee · 22/12/2024 13:15

Tooes · 22/12/2024 10:15

I don't blame them, the disabled toilets tend to be be much nicer.

The disabled toilets are for disabled people.

Onlyvisiting · 22/12/2024 13:15

Yes. Unreasonable and a dick.

SameAsItEverWas24 · 22/12/2024 13:15

Clarabella77 · 22/12/2024 13:09

If the employee toilets are single cubicles then arguably there is no need to label them m or f and just have them available for everyone. Problem solved.

Or the employee can grow up and not be triggered by an everyday sign/reality

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 22/12/2024 13:15

SameAsItEverWas24 · 22/12/2024 12:57

Well. We don't know the pronouns do we? No one wishes to presume. How very transphobic

Oh come off it. "They" is and always has been a perfectly acceptable word to use in the singular if one were unsure of a person's sex (or gender).

"They" in this sense isn't a trans rights invention.

Tsama · 22/12/2024 13:15

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:11

Exactly- but then lots of people on here would have to find something else to be performatively offended about and then where would we be?

I remember in the old days when gays was all people whined about, nowadays gays are relatively accepted and protected, so gotta pile up on the next more vulnerable smaller group since whining about the gays isn't as popular or as accepted anymore.

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:16

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:14

Well, you’re determined to think so. I say live and let live so long as they’re not hurting anyone, which they’re not.

Apart from their ableistic actions in using disabled toilets you mean?

Livinginaclock · 22/12/2024 13:17

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:06

All this stuff about non-binary people being performative and thinking they’re ’special’ speaks volumes about how nasty some people on here are.

No, nasty is taking facilities from disabled people for a "choice".
BTW, they'd probably call you transphobic for saying its a choice, and they'll tell you that non binary comes under the trans umbrella and people are born trans.

PumpkinPurple · 22/12/2024 13:17

Not all disabilities are visible. They might have a medical need to use the disabled toilet, which they don't need to disclose to you.

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:18

Tsama · 22/12/2024 13:15

I remember in the old days when gays was all people whined about, nowadays gays are relatively accepted and protected, so gotta pile up on the next more vulnerable smaller group since whining about the gays isn't as popular or as accepted anymore.

Edited

Hardly. Gay people are now being accused of being ‘sexual racists’ by no less than Stonewall for being same sex attracted.

cariadlet · 22/12/2024 13:19

FourEyesGood · 22/12/2024 10:33

Whether PPs like it or not, gender reassignment (including identifying as non-binary) is a protected characteristic in the UK, so your outdated views will, I hope, one day be viewed in the same way as racism and homophobia are today.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic.

Gender identity (including made up bullshit like non-binary) is not a protected characteristic.

Coconutter24 · 22/12/2024 13:19

Tsama · 22/12/2024 13:01

@verysmellyjelly
If you had read the thread, you would see that this affects disabled people and that we care. It's sad that you think that doesn't matter.

OP said they saw the non binary person use the toilet and that's it, so in this case there's literally no proof anyone got affected because she never saw any disabled person waiting for their turn.

Also fact that we don't really know if the person is disabled or not.

@Coconutter24
But in this case they’re not disabled and the commenter didn’t say that non-binary people can’t be disabled

OP says they're not disabled, assumption, not fact, as far as we know they might have a invisible disability.

And before anyone tries to say otherwise, OP is clearly not friends with the person, and as proven by many posters one can have invisible disability and nobody would know.

@PurpleSparkledPixie
Transmen are biologically female.
Transwomen are biologically male.

They are still the same sex they had at birth. It really isnt that difficult to understand.

Can you please clarify your post? Because if I understand correct you want trans to use the bathroom of their birth sex.

But that opens a big issue, because by your logic a transmen, who depending on how far enough they're in the transition would look like a man, should then use the women bathroom because it's their birth sex?

I'm 100% sure women wouldn't like that, the logic that trans should only use the bathroom of their birth sex simply doesn't work either because the issue is not black and white.

“OP says they're not disabled, assumption, not fact, as far as we know they might have an invisible disability.”

OP said they are not disabled and don’t consider themselves to be. So maybe they’ve spoke about disabilities? Maybe they are or maybe not either way it was non of OPs business to report this person using the disabled toilet

OneTC · 22/12/2024 13:21

OP sounds like a rat

Okayornot · 22/12/2024 13:21

Disabled toilets exist because there are disabled people who either (or both) can't use a non-accessible loo or can't wait in a queue and might need to go to the loo as a matter of urgency. So it's totally inappropriate for someone who isn't disabled - regardless of their gender identity beliefs - to use that loo and potentially stop a disabled person from getting what they need.

Feeling uncomfortable because you are on your own in a loo as described by the OP is spectacularly silly IMO. That said, I'd think the best solution would be to make the men's toilet cubicle gender-neutral. That would be inclusive for the non-binary individual, men, and women and the disabled.

Grammarnut · 22/12/2024 13:22

Non-binary is nonsense. Colleague should be told to use toilets appropriate to their sex - disabled colleagues and parents needing baby changing facilities are priority, not him/her.
NB I find the entire trans agenda both homophobic and misogynistic.

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:23

cariadlet · 22/12/2024 13:19

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic.

Gender identity (including made up bullshit like non-binary) is not a protected characteristic.

Yes. Men who identify as women must not be treated differently from other men. Nowhere has it been suggested that this nonbinary individual should be blocked from using the toilets appropriate for their sex. Quite the contrary, they have been told they should.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:23

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:16

Apart from their ableistic actions in using disabled toilets you mean?

Using an empty toilet to have a wee is really, really not the big deal you want it to be.

Tsama · 22/12/2024 13:25

Coconutter24 · 22/12/2024 13:19

“OP says they're not disabled, assumption, not fact, as far as we know they might have an invisible disability.”

OP said they are not disabled and don’t consider themselves to be. So maybe they’ve spoke about disabilities? Maybe they are or maybe not either way it was non of OPs business to report this person using the disabled toilet

I looked again and you're right, they don't consider themselves disabled.

I actually went to check OP exact words:
FYI this person is not disabled and does not consider themself to have a disability

"does not consider themself to have a disability" is a very interesting choice of words, because as we saw in this thread some people have problems that are disabilities but they don't consider it a disability cause it's not as bad as it could be.

So going literally by OP words the person probably has a disability, they simple don't consider themselves to have a disability.

OP words are kind of contradcitory, either the person don't have disability or don't consider themselves to have one, why would OP say the second part if the person don't have disability?

Kinda points out to the person having invisible disability but not considering it bad enough to call themselves disabled.

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:25

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:23

Using an empty toilet to have a wee is really, really not the big deal you want it to be.

Ah, you are another ableist who has no regard for the needs of disabled people.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/12/2024 13:26

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:23

Using an empty toilet to have a wee is really, really not the big deal you want it to be.

Tell that to the non binary (a concept no one appears to be able to define) person who can’t wee in said empty toilet because of a symbol on a door.

angrymenopausal · 22/12/2024 13:26

Okayornot · 22/12/2024 13:21

Disabled toilets exist because there are disabled people who either (or both) can't use a non-accessible loo or can't wait in a queue and might need to go to the loo as a matter of urgency. So it's totally inappropriate for someone who isn't disabled - regardless of their gender identity beliefs - to use that loo and potentially stop a disabled person from getting what they need.

Feeling uncomfortable because you are on your own in a loo as described by the OP is spectacularly silly IMO. That said, I'd think the best solution would be to make the men's toilet cubicle gender-neutral. That would be inclusive for the non-binary individual, men, and women and the disabled.

And how ridiculous that just removing the sign on the door - room, same facilities, same privacy level - suddenly makes it acceptable / accessible for the NB person.

Is a tree falls on the woods and Boone is around does it make a sound?

If a NB person is completely alone in a building so no one else would ever know which room they walk in to, would they still be unable to go into a self contained toilet cubicle with m or f signs on the door?

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:27

Tsama · 22/12/2024 13:25

I looked again and you're right, they don't consider themselves disabled.

I actually went to check OP exact words:
FYI this person is not disabled and does not consider themself to have a disability

"does not consider themself to have a disability" is a very interesting choice of words, because as we saw in this thread some people have problems that are disabilities but they don't consider it a disability cause it's not as bad as it could be.

So going literally by OP words the person probably has a disability, they simple don't consider themselves to have a disability.

OP words are kind of contradcitory, either the person don't have disability or don't consider themselves to have one, why would OP say the second part if the person don't have disability?

Kinda points out to the person having invisible disability but not considering it bad enough to call themselves disabled.

It is irrelevant. There are plenty of posters on here happy to display their ableism, and ignorance by offering disabled facilities to all and sundry.

Livinginaclock · 22/12/2024 13:27

Wtf should my disabilities involving my heart, lungs and bones be trumped by an identity?
Seriously, how can anyone defend this?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:27

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 22/12/2024 13:25

Ah, you are another ableist who has no regard for the needs of disabled people.

No, I’m really not. It’s an empty toilet.

NotEnoughRoom · 22/12/2024 13:30

DefendingPan · 22/12/2024 10:18

Use either of the two single occupancy employee toilets. They have male and female written on the door but are identical single occupancy units and it’s not uncommon for people to use the “wrong” one when the other is occupied.

If the staff toilets are both single occupancy anyway, then they should just remove the male/female signs, then anyone can use either toilet; no-one needs to use the disabled toilet (unless they have a need for a more accessible toilet).

Livinginaclock · 22/12/2024 13:30

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 13:27

No, I’m really not. It’s an empty toilet.

As are the other two which are not for disabled people, as the non binary person isn't.

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