Captain Tom's daughter

Or maybe you get to walk up and down a field all day long while listening to Michael Ball?

Pretty sure that's how the journey into Hell begins.

Please take a look at the latest annual report and accounts. They list people paid over 60k. You tell me how many are paid that base salary.

I agree that seems high!

However, The Salvation Army is a £280M charity. How would you set a salary for their CEO?

An example

"The estimated total pay range for a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) at The Salvation Army is £477K–£515K per year, which includes base salary and additional pay. The average Chief Executive Officer (CEO) base salary at The Salvation Army is £501K per year.22 Oct 2024'

Seriously hie on earth the CEO of the Salvation Army thinks they deserve that, greedy bugger its suppose to be a charity...

What do you consider a huge salary?

How would you measure that?

I used to give according to the charity. Now I don't because apparently charities need to pay their CEO huge salaries. Apparently, without a super CEO they won't raise as much money... strange because you either support cancer charities, animal charities etc or not...who gives a fiddle about the CEO? until that individual takes a disproportionate huge salary... then people naturally think again.

I no longer support the large ones, Red Cross, oxfam, etc. I now support smaller local charities.

I'm not willing to contemplate this tbh it will destroy my faith in humanity completely

@Patienceinshortsupply I would hope most people would understand that the donations couldn't go towards anything that core govt NHS funds pay for. I don't think there's anything wrong with charity funding the 'extras' - the things that aren't core but which make life better for NHS staff and for patients.

I think the real issue here is not the original fund raiser (although the motivation behind it is questionable) - it's the subsequent milking of the situation: the book, the holidays, the spa ffs!

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They were in the right place at the right time, and decided to make hay while the sun shines. I never donated a penny because the money wasn't even going to the NHS but to NHS charities ( did people realise they were donating for art work, waiting room chairs and gardening projects?! ). And I remember having my arse handed to me on here for questioning it at the time.........

Look at the charities set up by grieving parents....... Ashley Cain springs to mind, there was nearly £2 million raised for his daughter that appears to now be financing his lifestyle. Money was raised for Alfie Evans, Charlie Gard, Archie Battersbee.... what happened to all of that? Who is investigating these people too?

I am willing to put money on Capt Tom being the same greedy sod as his daughter while alive.

I'm sure poor Captain Tom is rolling in his grave in shame that he's related to these thieving scumbags. Sadly I don't think they feel shame and I doubt any money will be handed over

I suspect high wages for charity employees are part reason donations have dropped for a lot of the big ones. An an outsider, if I saw a charity having eg operational costs amounting to half the income, I don't think it unreasonable to be a little peeved.

But certainly in this instance, a trustee who appeared to have no experience of charity work to be taking renumeration at this level is disgusting.

I work for a charity and get a salary package based on my skills and experience. They could replace me with someone cheaper and give the balance to cover more ‘direct’ costs but it wouldn’t be much of a saving if in the long term I was able to give much better value. A good accountant or fundraiser or project manager will cost more but will also save time and resources and know how to make the charity more sustainable and effective.
This goes x 10 for a good CEO. You won’t be able to tell if they are worth it from salary disclosures in the accounts. It’s the trustees job to worry about that - and big charities invest a lot on getting the right people on their board and in their Senior Leadership positions.

There are key legal differences between a Ltd Company and a Registered Charity.

One of which is that a Ltd companies purpose is to deliver a return for its shareholders.

A charity looks to deliver maximum value to the stated cause. That is after deducting operating expenses, but there is a gray area around what level of operating expenses are ‘correct’, and can be open to manipulation if there are huge salaries, ‘consultancy fees’ etc. It’s reasonable for a charity to make a surplus to ensure it’s financially sustainable, but money leaking out to the controlling parties and the charity status being used in vein for planning applications etc is just an abuse of the charitable status and the tax breaks etc they get, this is why they’ve been closed down, and rightly so.

Not in the slightest bit surprised sadly. I didn’t donate at the time as I had a bad feeling about the whole set up. She’s a total grifter who should go to prison. One of the saddest things is the fact many people will be put off donating to charity in the future for fear of something like this.

Surely that would be considered some form of punishment. They could market it to the justice minister as a replacement to prison, stop overcrowding. 😂

A private company is an entirely different thing.

An example of wages would be I employ two salesmen. One is brilliant and turns a sale on nearly every deal, the other has a success rate of 50%. It is not unreasonable for that good salesman to negotiate a better wage, and that be nobody elses business.

You, as my customer an look at the product and decide if it is for you at the price advertised. You really don't need to know my profit/loss.

But a charity asking for money for 'good causes' should be totally transparent, and looking at this shower of conmen and their charity/company returns, they appear to be feathering their own nest way before any good cause sees a penny.

Can totally see it

@roastiepotato front of camera, yes, but I just got a sense of something different when I did meet them in person.

That's because she was the one always hovering over him

I think it skims a very fine line between illegal and unethical.

I had no real issue with the initial fundraiser, I just think they’ve let the 5 min fame-by-association go to their heads and thought they could bankroll this for life.

I thought it was very sad she was so exuberant about the brand aspirations so soon after losing her father.

Hopefully they will disappear quietly now and readjust their expectations and morals.

They’ve just been saying on the radio that it’s not criminal what they’ve done. The charity commission is saying it’s not criminal why is it not criminal because apparently the initial 38 million whatever they raise for the foundation did go to charity it was after that it was then when they did Captain Tom‘s book And it was the disingenuous about how much was going to charity etc

Captain Tom branded holidays! The mind boggles. Do you family take you somewhere in the hope that you'll pop your clogs? Or maybe you get to walk up and down a field all day long while listening to Michael Ball?

@Oreyt Christian ethos charity -