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BIossomtoes · 21/11/2024 21:52

User135644 · 21/11/2024 21:39

The real two tier Sir Keir. He'll protect anyone in the establishment.

No opportunity, however tenuous the link, missed to slip the knife in.

fedup33 · 21/11/2024 21:47

User135644 · 21/11/2024 21:39

The real two tier Sir Keir. He'll protect anyone in the establishment.

Er no, it's nothing to do with KS. It's white middle class privilege

mrshoho · 21/11/2024 21:43

YorkieIsDefinitelyForGirls · 21/11/2024 20:15

A CEO skill set is a CEO skill set.

Relatively few people hold the creds and capability to do it, so it commands a market price.

Yeah this is where we are all be conned though. Theses CEOs command huge salaries as we're led to believe they are so uniquely qualified. Under their watch many organisations fail, commit criminal offences etc etc and then these top individuals slide away with golden handshakes and big pension pots moving straight into another top position.

Grooveisintheheartbaby · 21/11/2024 21:40

My gut feeling at the time was the daughter was using her dad to get attention and make money. I didn't give any money as I just thought it felt off. Poor old guy was being used.

User135644 · 21/11/2024 21:39

fedup33 · 21/11/2024 21:36

because she's white and middle class.

The real two tier Sir Keir. He'll protect anyone in the establishment.

User135644 · 21/11/2024 21:38

Should be in prison, next to the Facebook posters.

fedup33 · 21/11/2024 21:36

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 21/11/2024 21:09

Does anyone understand why she isn't being taken to court over this?

because she's white and middle class.

fedup33 · 21/11/2024 21:35

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 19:03

An example

"The estimated total pay range for a Chief Executive Officer (CEO) at The Salvation Army is £477K–£515K per year, which includes base salary and additional pay. The average Chief Executive Officer (CEO) base salary at The Salvation Army is £501K per year.22 Oct 2024'

Seriously hie on earth the CEO of the Salvation Army thinks they deserve that, greedy bugger its suppose to be a charity...

Gosh, that's disappointing.

DanielaDressen · 21/11/2024 21:27

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 21/11/2024 21:09

Does anyone understand why she isn't being taken to court over this?

Apparently doesn’t meet the threshold of criminal activity 🤷‍♀️

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 21/11/2024 21:09

Does anyone understand why she isn't being taken to court over this?

socialdilemmawhattodo · 21/11/2024 21:08

SquishyGloopyBum · 21/11/2024 20:55

@socialdilemmawhattodo

Gosh I'm sad to hear that. He's a lovely lad with such a terrible background.

Your're right. But he's still very young. And can't have ever given full consent to being in the public eye. I don't doubt that his adoptive parents deeply love and care for him, but the constant publicity?

YorkieIsDefinitelyForGirls · 21/11/2024 21:07

@Toomanywars I'm not talking about Hannah for the avoidance of doubt!!!!!

luckylavender · 21/11/2024 21:04

To be fair (& I realise he can't defend himself) Captain Sir Tom may have been aware of what she was doing and have his blessing.

Paul2023 · 21/11/2024 21:03

I have nothing against an elderly gentleman who lived to a very good age and raised money for charity.
But Tom Moore didn’t doing anything exceptional. Millions of young men fought in WW2 , many of them didn’t live to the grand age of over 100. I dare say most of them lived to a much younger age and lived less privileged lives.

Did Captain Moore doing anything extraordinary in the War ? I don’t know for certain but from what I’ve read , no he didn’t. No more than other other officer who served.

Over the last 80 years or so we’ve seen many more men , mainly volunteers fight wars , I dare say saw much more action than Tom Moore did.
The Falklands for example , over 40 years ago.
Until recently, we had tens of thousands of young people, seeing action in Afghanistan for 20 years. Lots of these people are from working class areas, and probably went back to their roots after leaving the Army.

Again I’ve nothing against Tom Moore, but was he any more a hero than anyone else that ever served in an operational environment?

I think his daughter’s intentions may have been genuine to start with but once this made big news, she could see an opportunity to capitalise on it.

TheRutshireWI · 21/11/2024 21:03

fedup33 · 21/11/2024 17:41

Captain Tom branded holidays! The mind boggles. Do you family take you somewhere in the hope that you'll pop your clogs? Or maybe you get to walk up and down a field all day long while listening to Michael Ball?

I assume you'd be flown first class to Barbados, mingle with Cliff the Bachelor Boy, catch covid from Russ Abbot whilst partying in a happy atmosphere and die from Pneumonia?

SquishyGloopyBum · 21/11/2024 20:55

@socialdilemmawhattodo

Gosh I'm sad to hear that. He's a lovely lad with such a terrible background.

Bideshi · 21/11/2024 20:50

PylaSheight · 21/11/2024 17:35

I rolled my eyes at the whole thing, as it was a cliche of feel-good tick boxes...

  1. War "hero" (although I gather he only spent 5 years in the army, and much of that was either being trained or being a trainer)
  2. Seemingly sweet elderly person. Awww.
  3. Raising funds "for the NHS" (although he was actually raising money for NHS charities so so many people seemed to think he was raising money for the NHS itself)
If he hadn't ticked those boxes, and had a pushy daughter with PR knowledge and links, it wouldn't have gained traction.

He was walking around his garden as part of his physio plan post hip surgery from what I understand and I think they saw it as a money-making venture and capitalised on his Army background and age. I don't think he was exploited by his daughter, I think he wanted his 15mins of fame (like he did when he was on Blankety Blank 🙄). He was a salesman and businessman, his daughter similar, so their personalities are likely money driven. He only became a national treasure because of great advertising, great PR, the right contacts, and huge media backing.

Completely agree with this. The regimental blazer, medals, use of an army rank - all very seedy and manipulative.
Speaking as an old person (though not that old) I hate the 'Aw, lovely old codger, bless him' thing. Patronising shite. I'm sure he was complicit, at least in some degree. Hated that even more than the clapping.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 21/11/2024 20:50

SquishyGloopyBum · 21/11/2024 09:40

I don't think the Captain was entirely innocent himself either.

All the media fuss- I mean there was that awful song with Michael Ball. It was all so crass. But it does show the mood of things at that time.

One good thing to come out of it was that he inspired Tony Hudgell. What an amazing and truly inspiring boy he is.

Interestingly I am local-ish to that family. There are a lot of concerns as to the never ending publicity trail. But no one dares vocalise it. Even the local MP is totally supportive but it is always a good photo op.

Cocothecoconut · 21/11/2024 20:45

I bet a lot of charities run like this

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 20:44

Paul2023 · 21/11/2024 20:17

Hannah Ingram Moore charged 18 k for an event that lasted a few hours.. some sort of virgin media event.
Then wanted a salary of £150k for being the CEO of her late dad’s charity.

Not exactly in the spirit of being in the charity industry… 18 k to attend an event that lasts a few hours ?

Seems any old chancer can head up a charity and charge what they like.

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 20:43

YorkieIsDefinitelyForGirls · 21/11/2024 20:15

A CEO skill set is a CEO skill set.

Relatively few people hold the creds and capability to do it, so it commands a market price.

😂

socialdilemmawhattodo · 21/11/2024 20:41

YourAzureEagle · 21/11/2024 08:16

Correct, quite possible he was, quite possibly his idea, who knows.

For most of the guys life he was a concrete salesman, later managing director of a concrete business, he had his head screwed on - quite possible he thought this will be a nice little earner for the kids.

Unfortunately you only need to read about his views towards his 1st wife to understand that this was not some "lovely" old man. I think values can often track down through a family. I respect the other sister far more for stepping away as much as she could. It was a lovely idea, but the monetising was far too much. And I do count the celebrity hangers on in this as well. Michael ball looking at you.

GivingitToGod · 21/11/2024 20:21

LaPalmaLlama · 21/11/2024 06:46

The original appeal that raised £38m was all legitimate. There’s no question that that all went to NHS charities. It’s the foundation that was set up afterwards that was dodgy.

This
And what is more concerning is that the Ingram-Moores are already wealthy people. Greed, pure greed and extremely damaging to their reputation which is irreparably damaged

Paul2023 · 21/11/2024 20:17

Hannah Ingram Moore charged 18 k for an event that lasted a few hours.. some sort of virgin media event.
Then wanted a salary of £150k for being the CEO of her late dad’s charity.

Not exactly in the spirit of being in the charity industry… 18 k to attend an event that lasts a few hours ?

YorkieIsDefinitelyForGirls · 21/11/2024 20:15

A CEO skill set is a CEO skill set.

Relatively few people hold the creds and capability to do it, so it commands a market price.