Captain Tom's daughter

Correct, quite possible he was, quite possibly his idea, who knows.

For most of the guys life he was a concrete salesman, later managing director of a concrete business, he had his head screwed on - quite possible he thought this will be a nice little earner for the kids.

I think it started off as well meaning, but once the pounds started rolling in the greed got the better of them.

Ah and there it is. 🙄

Lockdown was much more complex than just the government stealing money but you live in your conspiracy theory bubble.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ramadan-man-walk-fundraising-covid19-coronavirus-dabirul-islam-choudhury-captain-tom-moore-a9526841.html

Meanwhile this guy got nowhere near the publicity or kudos- just quietly got on with it for a good cause. No book deal for him.

Getting paid more than the prime minister with less responsibility and oversight, makes MPs look like charity volunteers dedicating their life to service.

Indeed. I have never understood why elderly people are always assumed to be sweet and good. Its not as if chancers and frauds all die off before retirement age

Captain Tom was a successful business man, just because he was 100 didn't mean he couldn't see an opportunity!

This is a very valid point.

You could tell in the early interviews Hannah was getting a massive ego boost/delight/saw £ signs. Grubby little mare.

And yet no criminal charges.

If they were working class, this would be described as fraud, but as they are well off, it's "failures of integrity"

I wonder what this has done to other family relationships - he had other children didn’t he?

this to me is another nail in the coffin of charity culture - the charity commission do very little checks before you register so you should always do your own due diligence before donating. And big charities, as a pp said, have had some awful scandals. plus the fact the paternalistic charity model just doesn’t work long term in poorer countries

It did indeed seem like a very ill-judged decision to take him abroad... but I don't know if it's particularly justified to say that he died FROM covid, with the implication that he would have lived for many more happy years had he not caught it - the man was 100.

He was 100 but fit enough to walk in his garden and travel long haul to Barbados and looked happy and well in the pictures released. But he was taken to Barbados in a pandemic which was killing mainly elderly people and was in a plane and airport close to hundreds of strangers. Then he got it and died. I would imagine Covid is listed on his death certificate.

I hope he understood the risks of going to Barbados and went willingly. It could be he was told by his daughter they were going and he had little choice in the matter as the family all wanted to go and it wasn't possible unless he acquiesced.

Just because Captain Tom was old, doesn’t mean he wasn’t in on the grift. Where did she get her morals from?

Many of us called it at the start on here and were screamed at for being horrible etc.

@DoublePasta

I thought the poster meant Covid wasn't a hoax?

Indeed.

This thread does remind me of Mrs Bennet....."I always knew Mr wickham was a bad egg and nobody would listen.."

I meant to say. I didn't notice the spelling mistake but I'm dyslexic 😂😂

On the money vs reputation thing, right now they still seem to be trying to have their cake and eat it!

"In a statement, the Ingram-Moores said they were treated "unfairly and unjustly" in the report.
They said the two-year inquiry has taken a "serious toll" on the family's health, "unfairly tarnishing" their name.
They described the process as "unjust and excessive" and that the charities watchdog had a "predetermined agenda"."

Some of the celebrities on the charity shows were also very well paid to be there. Not interested in charity at all.

I am fine with charity leaders being paid decent salaries. Being a CEO of a large charity is a tough job and needs to attract and retain people who have the right experience and can do it well.

I knew she was a wrong un at the tine, but you couldn’t say it. She was always there, front and centre lapping up the attention that she’d actively gone out to get for her father. They’d sit there saying her grabby DH had suggested that Capt Tom walked round the garden but it had spiralled. Absolute rot. It was all part of their plan. They’re absolutely disgusting people, and I hope people like Piers Morgan who defended them to the hilt are felling like utter prats now.

Yup- same here. I remember people being flamed for expressing doubts

Me too. I refused to do an assembly on him in lockdown using the handy Twinkl PowerPoint in the entire section on Twinkl for Captain Tom and I was the talk of the wash house at school.

@TheHangingGardensOfBasildon

To be honest, I often feel the same about immensely rich celebrities on gameshows or telethons/other fundraisers for charity.

So much energy (and good PR) put into urging Joe and Joanna public to give or to urge them on, when they could just quietly write a cheque for ten times the amount or more as 'back of the sofa' money to them.

George Michael, Ricky Tomlinson and probably countless others have managed to give discreetly from their personal good fortunes in support of causes that touch(ed) their hearts, without the need for a massive 'hey, folks, look at how great I am!' song and dance.

Hoax??! I think it was real enough!

I'm not so sure, it felt very orchestrated at the time and obviously now we know that Hannah Ingram is a charlatan it seems increasingly unlikely that this 'walking round the garden for the nurses' was the delightfully innocent idea of a hundred year old man.

I don't think they've single handedly tarnished the charity sector, very highly paid CEOs, misuse of funds & women/child exploitation by aid workers (Oxfam in Haiti comes to mind) helped.

Yup- same here. I remember people being flamed for expressing doubts