Captain Tom's daughter

Totally agree with this.

I think it had a significant and damaging effect on the way people view the world, view politics, view charities and view each other.

Damn them all - the Thénardiers Ingram-Moores as much as any of them for grabbing fistfuls of cash at the expense of other people's welfare.

From what I understand the actual fundraiser - the walk - was leigitimate and all the money went to NHS charities which was great. I donated at the time.

It's everything else since then that has been dodgy and the family (not Tom I hope), knew exactly what they were doing. Greed begets greed.

I think it will come down to whether they have crossed a legal line.

so with the book - was it just an impression that the money would go to charity or does it cross the threshold into fraud

so did Hannah and her husband take the whole lot? Or did it go to ‘family’?

Is there no redress then? If she has been dishonest, and has been using funds dishonestly. Is there not charges to face.this same week 2 former girl guide leaders had been jailed for misappropriation of funds for their guide group.

Yes, there's the slimy PR training coming out right there. DARVO in action.

Lots of fake indignation and vague negative insinuations about the findings of the charity watchdog... but without actually saying that the findings were wrong or that the family didn't misappropriate the money!

Yes, of course there was a "predetermined agenda." The agenda was to investigate and find out what happened. That's the watchdog's job! And they did it, and they found out the truth about the dishonest, thieving bastards. And strangely enough the dishonest, thieving bastards don't like it.

Might sound cynical but I suspect most high profile stunts aren't altruistic at heart. It's the people who quietly and consistently get on with fund raising/ volunteering/ helping others without needing to be in the limelight who are the real heroes

I agree. Obviously we have no idea if Tom was in on it or not but its certainly possible, and the idea that is old so therefore he must have had innocent/pure motives is ludicrous.

It was sickening the way people were castigated and berated when they expressed concerns about it- so many hateful responses from others about how if you didnt donate or support them you were awful, cruel, un kind, hated the elderly etc

He will never be thought of as that benevolent old man

A well placed friend told me that Captain Tom took out a super injunction against a newspaper. I thought he loved the limelight. He was a contestant on blankety blank. Surely you only willingly appear on tv if you like attention? His daughter got her brass neck from somewhere

@VegTrug

"Lockdowns were not “designed” for that at all! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣 Grow up! You sound like a teenage conspiracy theorist"

I agree lockdowns were not "designed " for that but the reality is that the level of fraud that took place was off the scale from bounce back loans to PPE contracts to eat out to help out.

So clearly whilst the design of the lockdown measures was not to make the rich richer the actual outcome was exactly this.

I suspect most high profile stunts aren't altruistic at heart. It's the people who quietly and consistently get on with fund raising/ volunteering/ helping others without needing to be in the limelight who are the real heroes

I agree.

The whole greedy story leaves me wondering whether Captain Tom genuinely was a harmless elderly man who was manipulated by his daughter or whether he was seeking publicity and all the trappings right from the get go. It's sad that we have to wonder about that - he's tainted by the whole scandal.

It certainly felt off to me, and sadly a lot of this type of thing is performative. People see an opportunity and jump at it, other people get suckered in and it goes crazy.

Might sound cynical but I suspect most high profile stunts aren't altruistic at heart. It's the people who quietly and consistently get on with fund raising/ volunteering/ helping others without needing to be in the limelight who are the real heroes

Not surprised at all.

I remember wanting to vomit seeing her waving to the crowds at Wimbledon like she was royalty or something.

Personally I think the Captain Tom saga is a perfect metaphor for the whole Covid response:

A very large number of ordinary well meaning but naive people do the decent thing (being following the rules, believe the government information etc) only to be taken advantage off by those that were already well off or knew that the rules were ineffective (for example Partygate or PPE scandals).

I genuinely think that this has left an undercurrent of resentment and anger in the UK.

If Captain had been some guy on an estate it wouldn't have gained traction.

Can you imagine it Jimmy from number 17 walks around the garden " for the NHS"

Rich get richer.

Totally agree!

Thank you - thats good advice

This won’t be an isolated case when it comes to some people making a profit from a charity it’s something that needs looking at in general . Maybe this case will be the catalyst

You can look at their accounts which should be online (if you can’t find or they haven’t filed then that’s a red flag)- Google the main people- look at reviews - consider small charities that are local where you can see how they are doing - charities linked to things you know

Lockdowns were not “designed” for that at all! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣 Grow up! You sound like a teenage conspiracy theorist

I did yes

I remember thinking something wasn’t right when he went to Barbados.

As others have said, the original walk was legit, it’s the later foundation that was dodgy..

I thought it was telling that his other daughter kept a low profile, Hannah made it all about her and portraying her dad as a saint. I'm very happy it's been uncovered and their reputation is in shreds, I saw the criticism of her keeping the appearance money and the neighbours having a fit over the spa building, which lead to finding out the planning was in the name of the foundation.

It’s always important to understand what you are donating to

I agree, but how would someone check this? I am not sure a search on companies house would show fraud would it if the idea is to cover it up

It’s always important to understand what you are donating to.

a few years back I heard of a charity that sent a product to war zones. All well and good until the accounts showed they were buying the products from a company they privately owned at inflated prices. They were struck off the charity register a few years later as it turns out.

its important to remember that the original walk charity payments went to an existing charity and you could say he captured the moment and drew attention to that. The issue raised here is around the fundraising done later

You would imagine or you are imagining?

In a way I agree, charitable giving is damaged by every such scandal, even though most charities and people who work/support them are decent and honourable people.