Captain Tom's daughter

Despite Captain Tom having written this in its preface:

“Astonishingly at my age with the offer to write this memoir I have also been given the chance to raise even more money for the charitable foundation now established in my name.”

I believe Captain Tom wanted to raise money for charity with his book, but that went out of the window after his death.

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Are you feeling alright - what did you put on your cornflakes lol

Of course Tom had served as a Captain in WW2 and earned his medals.

It's all about how retired officers and "etiquette" - and believe me someone in a cavalry regiment in WW2 like him would have known this - hence it was the daughter marketing him as this (only a certain rank and above continues to use the rank when retired and even that is seen as bit try hard!)

People got conned.
If you want to give money to the NHS, give it straight to your local hospital trust.
I always thought the whole thing was dodgy.
Captain Tom Cobleigh and all.

At last, a balanced comment.

It was a challenging time and the repercussions are still with us in different ways for all age groups. People lost livelihoods and lives.

I have good memories of one of my neighbours leading exercise classes on the street, ( each participant standing outside their house). But the eerie sound of the neighbourhood clapping left mixed emotions.

Was he not wearing medals during the walk itself though?

@Ytcsghisn Not surprising, most lefties practice hypocrisy. Say one thing and do the exact opposite.

Oh, the qualifier 'most' is a masterstroke. It allows all us lefties to think, "Well, ytcsghisn obviously has the inside track here, and has done the research in some exhaustive and thorough way, but thank goodness it's not all of us. Me, for instance, I'm one of those lefties who ytcsghisn is happy to concede are not hypocrites".

Just as a matter of interest, what was your method and exactly what percentage of lefties above fifty percent did you find to be hypocrites?

Of course, if it's just 'in my experience' then I imagine you'll be actively interested in my unsupported anecdotal assessment of the ethics of most non-lefties.And you'll feel that my posting it is not only worthwhile but useful.

Criminal I would say. I hope a prosecution will be forthcoming. I didn't give anything. I thought about it but didn't get round to it. So glad I didnt.

There was always heavy marketing - even in the original walk, for example, Tom himself would never have introduced himself or said he was "Captain" Moore - retired army officers below field rank do not use their old titles - it is seen as very bad form to do so and he would have been well aware of this, but the daughter probably though it made it more marketable!

Harsh perhaps, but it's hard to disagree, and for those who didn't buy into the hysteria of the time this latest news was always expected

And sorry, but I never saw anything outstanding about some pensioner shuffling round the garden, though even the Queen fell for the PR opportunity. What was outstanding was the speed with which his ghastly family fell upon the opportunity

There must be a study to be made, somewhere, into just how easily people fall for this stuff, but I doubt the interested parties will ever allow it to happen

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She was given a seat in the Royal box at Wimbledon that year. She looked very pleased with herself.

Yes - it’s actually very easy to start a charity and with small ones it is best to see them in action etc and get a feel for the people behind it

you get people who set up charities for personal gain but you also get people who set up charities for good reasons but then feel entitled to take from it

it’s very tricky

i donate to an overseas charity that does good anti-poaching and women’s empowerment work but I understand that some of the funds may not go exactly where I want it to but overall they are also meeting their goals

The man had voted against money for the NHS all his life, it was the least he could do.

And Dame Sarah Gilbert was also there and given a standing ovation. She looked embarrassed and humbled by it. Meanwhile Hannah couldn’t jump up and wave quickly enough!

I thought it was a swizz from the start.
It was like a game of grifter bingo
Old person ✅
War veteran ✅
Charity ✅

I didn't warm to any of the family, and I thought the Barbados trip and the other hospitality they all received was incredibly crass.
There's nothing about the warm 'in it together' examples we're fed about the covid period that I look back on fondly, from the weekly clapping to Tom Moore walking round his garden - every such example just makes me shudder; I hated the overreaching response/restrictions.

That said, there are far worse cases of financial advantage routinely taking place in the upper echelons of business/society in the UK. The press has been particularly savage with the Moore family - if the press make you they can break you I guess. I don't think there would've been anything unreasonable about Tom Moore using the money he was paid for the books deal to benefit his family, the issue was that he gave the impression in the books that charity was going to benefit.

Lots of charities are quite dodgy.... I had a friend who worked for Save the Children and it was known as "Save the Receipts"... because they expensed everything.

I've worked for small local charities, and you'd have no idea from the accounts what a shambles they were.

Also rife with big personalities, trustees drafted in as social favours, and absolutely terrible management of serious issues.

I had to step in as a junior member of staff to prevent or correct serious mismanagement many times (working PT for convenience during studies, but actually with far more experience than the leadership).

I wouldn't give a penny to a small charity, especially one dealing with any sort of serious issues.

They set up a Just Giving page for his birthday party?

That's obscene. They are extremely rich and can afford their own party hats and cake.

It just gets worse and worse.

Either way, I think it's rather obvious that the only real public interest in his story was because of the charity aspect.

He wasn't known on a national level before that. I loved my Grandads, but nobody was writing or buying a book of their lives.

But that’s not what PP said or at least, that’s not what I was replying, I was replying to the statement I quoted

I had a direct email conversation with her at the time, I lived not far away and there was a just giving page set up to raise money to pay for his Birthday party, I came across it when trying to give money to his walk in the early days, I was worried it was a scam, so contacted her and she came back and said no it was genuine they had set it up.
I was thinking WTF why do you need to have a just giving page to pay for his birthday ? Surely that’s something the family should have just done (it was in Covid time) ?
it didn’t sit well with me so from then on felt she was driven by the money and publicity.

Why isn't the scrounging scumbag being prosecuted?

A very large number of ordinary well meaning but naive people do the decent thing

Yes, this is true, but lets not forget that many of those ordinary well meaning people came down hard on anyone who questioned the narrative and expressed doubts about the fund raising etc Those people were shouted down and told to shut up. This just shows that it's actually quite healthy and right to question events.