Captain Tom's daughter

There is a narrative that kindly old captain Tom led a life of virtue, but a few people have scratched the surface and found that he was no saint ( who is?).

There's only a couple of questions remaining..

1. How much was pre planned, and was it a grift from the start?
2. How much was Captain Tom in on it, and how much was he used.

I think anyone who really believes a 100 yr old bloke wanted to fly long haul to Barbados for a luxury holiday because it was on his ' bucket list' needs their bumps feeling.

You have to admire the brass neck of the family for pulling that off.

Mr and Mrs Ingram-Moore described the Charity Commission inquiry as "unjust and excessive".
In a statement, they said: "True accountability demands transparency, not selective storytelling.

😮😮 The audacity!! But after the sight of her waving to the crowds at Wimbledon like the Queen of Sheba it shouldn't really surprise me.

Naomi Campbell was called out by the charity commission recently

drives me mad when they say charity chiefs/spads etc etc need to be paid what they would get if they were in the private sector - a lot of those people wouldn’t survive in the private sector and there’s. I reason they should be getting top of those salary bands either!!!

Same. When it first happened I did mention I had concerns but people told me I was being hateful etc

So I pretended I had donated when I hadn’t. I am so glad I trusted my instincts now.

I thought the house was on the market for a while?

The thing that I noticed then was how every time it was on telly (every day...) she'd be wearing more make up and the garden would be tidier!

A lot of so called charities are just vehicles to make money for the people that run them.

The way it works is you pay yourself a large salary, but the charity itself makes no profit.

This of course undermines the good work done by many charities which are run legitimately..

What I would like to see is some practical ways of stopping people running businesses under the guise of charity.

One possible way would be to cap the allowed salary of any person within the charity to a level dependent on the number of employees/turnover.

This is one of the greatest headlines ever written... https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/03/captain-toms-daughter-concedes-reduced-using-public-spas-20059299/?ico=top-stories_home_top

Her husband's name is Colin. I hope his middle initial is F. 😉

I found it all nauseating at the time. And I think Tom was on an ego boost which did achieve unexpected and extraordinary funds.
His family were reveling in the glory and saw an opportunity to scam for their own purposes.
I didn't donate to their 'charity' and actually pretended I had as it was obvious that he and his scummy family were being revered by many.
In my opinion Hannah and husband should be charged and jailed, and return the stolen money.
How shameful. How low can you go.

At risk of being flamed, yes some of us DID think it was all bonkers at the time, that the media jumped on it as such a marvellous and special thing (it really wasn't) but didn't dare say so publicly. Also thought it odd that any pictures in the news had her face almost eclipsing his and she was clearly desperate to keep this going. She absolutely should be prosecuted and/or jailed for fraud, deception, theft etc but no doubt has the money and contacts to get away with it. Bet there's a frosty atmosphere whenever she meets any of her neighbours though. You'd think she'd move away and change her name to avoid the utter shame. It is surely long overdue that ALL charities have much stricter regulations and checks.

This isn't a surprise at all. Charity is an inherently selfish act. People run charities to feel good about themselves and for their personal gain and people give to charities because it makes them feel good about themselves.

I actually tend to agree with you on this point. Feeling good about yourself is allowed though, yes? I specifically chose to work in the charity sector in my field because I want to enforce the ethics part of my role in a good cause. I don't want to do it for a meaningless purpose.

Until laws are passed to make it illegal for anyone involved in a charity to take any form of payment or gift in connection with that charity, people will always use them as a means to line their own pockets.

People who "work" for charities should pay to work for them, not receive payment from them.

You've unwittingly revealed the flip side here - people have a very proprietary attitude to charities. I've dealt with so many barmy approaches where people have a big attitude about what charities should or shouldn't be doing. Numerous approaches indeed from people telling us that we shouldn't be supporting this cohort or the other! Volunteers who want to run their own little empire with the charity's resources.

Charities define what they do and you can engage or not. The Ingram-Moores abused the principles of charity management.

I receive a salary for my work. If I didn't, I'd be in need of charity myself. My salary is effectively discounted by about 40% from the market rate. They struggled to hire someone with my level of knowledge and experience as it was, who could help them provide expertise that protects the people they work with (my primary responsibility in law is to them, not my employer).

Furthermore, the charity I work for sets high standards for working conditions for staff. They take the attitude that healthy staff = good work. They don't always succeed in this (it is after all, a large organisation, and there are historical issues to tackle), and part of my role is to address that. My management, right up to the CEO, have been explicitly clear that they're not interested in covering anything up. They want matters solved and to conduct themselves ethically.

They're not perfect. But I'm happy to work here in a way that I haven't been in any other organisation.

I didn't give Old Tom a penny for trundling around his garden with his shopping trolley. I found the whole idea of raising funds in such stupid piddling ways to support our professional NHS repellant and ridiculous.

Tony Hudgell’s mother is exploiting that child. She is no better than Hannah Ingram Moore.

We were a captive audience at the start of lockdown. A lot of us felt like we wanted to help but didn’t know what to do.
So this man’s story touched a lot of us. We saw the NHS on its knees and so the donations flew in.
But this greedy woman decided the benefits should find their way to her, betraying every kind person who donated.
I do believe we were manipulated a lot at the time although I don’t deny Covid or that we messed to do something to try and contain its spread. However, to see how the rich benefitted from it turns my stomach - that interview with Michelle Mone where she has tears in her eyes makes me sick.

The amount of taxpayers money stolen through the business support loans and furlough was disgusting. The Govt's had to write of £1.1 billion and HMRC have said that £ billions more ended up in the hands of people who did not use it as intended. Our children and grandchildren will be paying for it for decades.

I didn't give them a single penny at the time, solely because the daughter seemed so smarmy and "absolutely loving every moment." You could practically see the pound signs rolling behind her eyes.
I consider myself a pretty good reader of people, and with everything that has come out since, it seems I was spot on.

It's a shame, as I liked Captain Tom. He seemed like a decent enough bloke, caught up in the media machine when there was literally nothing else good going on.

Sadly this is pretty much the norm for the industry (big charities), just look at the job adverts - some of the best paid jobs are running charities, so Mrs I was just appointing herself to a similar job. When you get stopped in the street by a pretty girl with a Macmillan umbrella and end up signing a DD for a monthly donation - she's on commission, tomorrow she'll be touting Oxfam in a different High St. and the company she works for, that contracts to charities, has a name that you've never heard of & is one of the most profitable companies in the UK.

It's life. Read the Children in Need Accounts try to work out why the charity needs to employ a merchant banker, but doesn't pay any money to children. I don't approve of Mrs I's grifting, but I understand why she thinks it unfair that MSM picks on her and not any other charities.

This isn't a surprise at all. Charity is an inherently selfish act. People run charities to feel good about themselves and for their personal gain and people give to charities because it makes them feel good about themselves

I used to work for a national charity and I can reassure everyone that for every selfish, feel good scrounger there is also a person that really cares about the course.

But I have to agree, this family has been using charity as a way of getting even richer quick scheme. Glad they got caught out, named and shamed.

@Dotjones People who "work" for charities should pay to work for them, not receive payment from them.

Tell us more? Hope you never have to go into a hospice or get rescued by the RNLI....

Sir Tom would be so ashamed.

Absolutely this.

Well said @BIossomtoes . That post was crafty indeed, and politically motivated. Ironic, too.

The captain Tom debacle is shameful and the charity commission has done a great job. I wonder if there will be police involvement?

I have a vague memory that when this shitshow all began, she was just called Hannah Ingram. Then suddenly tacksd the Moore on. That looked tacky to me at the time.

That is ridiculous.

Can you imagine the mess that would leave for vulnerable people to navigate?

People in need of charitable support deserve professional standards of care, and charities need to be accountable to their beneficiaries and donors.

Weren't there even quickly printed children's books about Captain Tom?

I don't know about "quickly printed", @RedShoeBlueTop, but there was certainly a children's book

A purported "autobiography" too, not to mention several about heroes and the life lessons he taught us

Edited to add google "Captain Tom merchandise" if you can stand it ...

A hideous song I think? Paddington too?

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