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MIL lied about genetic condition

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MyChirpyRoseDuck · 02/11/2024 16:19

Please bear with me, first time posting but really need some other unbiased perspective! My DH and I have been married for 13 years, and have two sons aged 10 and 6. About two years ago my DH started loosing feeling in his arm, lost his hearing in one ear, a range of symptoms. Cue multiple scans, trips to hospital and Drs. I eventually persuade DH to just let his mum know. As a mum, I’d want to know. I’ve always struggled with MIL, found her manipulative, tried to parent our children etc but maintained a reasonable relationship for the kids. Anyway, DH told MIL of the health problems. About 2 weeks later she calls, in floods of tears to admit she has a genetic condition and it’s likely he has it too. She’s known since he was 17 (we are in our 40’s). She didn’t seem to think that telling him was important. I’m furious. It’s a condition that’s not going to kill him but it’s going to impact his life, more severely as he gets older. I’m pretty mad that she didn’t tell him. But what I cannot forgive her for is that we went on to have children without genetic counselling. Our kids could have the same condition. Would I change my kids? Never. But would we have taken a different route had we known? Probably. I want nothing to do with her, but will continue to see her with the kids so they can have a relationship. My mum thinks I need to get over it. I’m just so mad. AIBU?

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LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:31

mitogoshigg · 02/11/2024 17:30

She has the right to medical privacy and if it's not life shortening this can't be particularly serious therefore there may be no testing available,

Yes. Exactly.

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 17:33

Maybe she was doing the wrong thing for her own reasons. What has she said about it all? You’d be surprised what people convince themselves. Yes it’s wrong but I think the people making out she’s almost Pol Pot are wrong.

Purplewarrior · 02/11/2024 17:34

Why do you want your children to have a relationship with her?

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 17:35

Purplewarrior · 02/11/2024 17:34

Why do you want your children to have a relationship with her?

Are you really telling op to cut her off? That’s just adding even more of a mess down the line.

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:38

WearyAuldWumman · 02/11/2024 17:28

Her right to medical privacy does not override the rights of her actual and possible descendants.

It literally does.

The DH has made it to middle age without even realising his mum has this (or presumably any other) condition. The parallels with Huntington's don't apply here. There's loads of more minor hereditary conditions.

WearyAuldWumman · 02/11/2024 17:39

EmmyPankhurst · 02/11/2024 17:24

@MyChirpyRoseDuck I would be upset too.

Armed with the information genetic testing could have been considered and /or life decisions made differently e.g employment choices, decisions re: big ticket trips early in life. Testing embryos etc.

I'm aware of a family where Huntingdon's was concealed. When one of the four children got it the real reason for their mother's death was known. The implications were horrific and the siblings who had had children were particularly angry that they hadn't known. Pre-implantation genetic testing had become available by this time.

In the end all four siblings died prematurely - 2 of Huntingdon's and 2 took their own lives afraid they had it but unable to face definitive testing. Tragedy.

My mum's cousin developed very early onset dementia which turned out to be Huntingdon's. I was at uni at the time. When I found out, I told mum that we all had to get tested.

"No, there's no need for that. It's not in our family."

"Mum, it might be. You can't assume it came from his mother's side." I persisted in telling her that I'd be seeing my doctor.

Pause. "His mother got pregnant when Uncle Tam was dying of pneumoconiosis. That's why your grandmother fell out with her SIL - the last bairn in Uncle Tam's family wasn't actually Tam's."

I vaguely knew the bloke that she named as the father. He and his sons all died young.

There are times when family secrets can no longer be kept secret.

LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:39

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:38

It literally does.

The DH has made it to middle age without even realising his mum has this (or presumably any other) condition. The parallels with Huntington's don't apply here. There's loads of more minor hereditary conditions.

This is correct.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 02/11/2024 17:44

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:10

The law says otherwise. It is her private medical history. It isn't up for debate as the law protects. That's why alternative ways need to be brought in to protect people.

The law isn't the same thing as what is morally right and I think it's clear that people are responding more with what the moral thing to do is rather than the fact the law says the person doesn't have to tell their offspring they may have inherited life altering or life limiting conditions.

And laws are and absolutely should be up for debate.
That's how they get changed.

Just because something is a law, does not mean it's the right or the best thing or that it should not be debated.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:47

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:06

The law says otherwise.

There is a world of difference between what’s legal and what’s moral.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:49

LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:39

This is correct.

Maybe the parallels with Huntington's don’t apply. The fact is, he now has symptoms. If he had known he may have been able to seek earlier intervention or enacted lifestyle changes that would make a difference to the onset. It’s bloody selfish and I can’t for the life of me fathom why anyone would keep this a secret, especially when there are future generations involved.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:51

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:38

It literally does.

The DH has made it to middle age without even realising his mum has this (or presumably any other) condition. The parallels with Huntington's don't apply here. There's loads of more minor hereditary conditions.

It may be so legally. Morally is a totally different matter.

LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:52

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:49

Maybe the parallels with Huntington's don’t apply. The fact is, he now has symptoms. If he had known he may have been able to seek earlier intervention or enacted lifestyle changes that would make a difference to the onset. It’s bloody selfish and I can’t for the life of me fathom why anyone would keep this a secret, especially when there are future generations involved.

And I also developed benign fasciculation syndrome during pregnancy which caused all sorts of odd twitching. And can be hereditary. It’s also completely harmless and I’m not mad at my parents for not genetically testing me for it?

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:52

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:27

Sorry but this is just so wrong. Once it was clear they intended to have children, MiL should have disclosed so that proper counselling and advice could be given. Her right to medical privacy doesn’t take priority over a distressing disclosure when it’s too late to do anything about it. And depending on the condition there may have been steps he could have taken to reduce the risk. Same with your sons. I’m assuming the BCRA gene. Why are you waiting until age 18 to disclose when there are steps they can take to reduce the risk now ?

She has the legal right to withhold the information. You can't enforce the opposite!

All medical including Psychology has specifically advised not to discuss it with them until 18. I will like the rest of my family follow the medical experts advice as opposed to blowing children's live up when they cant avail of the specialist therapy or option of testing.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 02/11/2024 17:53

DH needed to know about this and so did you, in only in order to consider whether had any bearing on your decision to have children together. It would have been kind of MIL to tell him. Perhaps she was too scared or didn't want to think about it, but however understandable her behaviour was, there's no moral highground to claim here.

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:53

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:47

There is a world of difference between what’s legal and what’s moral.

Like I said, I wouldn't have done what the MIL did, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asked my advice. But I do think it is right and important that she has the right to make that decision. Especially for something that's comparatively minor.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:55

cestlavielife · 02/11/2024 17:24

She didn't lie unless he asked specifically. She just omitted to reveal something.
Does she have symptoms?
So did dp know dm had something goingvon? For how long? Did her dc ask her what the condition is? So they would have known already the name and could see themselves and speak to their own GP about testing?
I do get it 's devastating info to now consider testing your own dc. But you have to move ahead with the info you have now.

Of course she lied, by omission. How would he know to ask ? The fact that he’s having symptoms of something wouldn’t automatically prompt you to assume it’s genetic.

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 17:55

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:49

Maybe the parallels with Huntington's don’t apply. The fact is, he now has symptoms. If he had known he may have been able to seek earlier intervention or enacted lifestyle changes that would make a difference to the onset. It’s bloody selfish and I can’t for the life of me fathom why anyone would keep this a secret, especially when there are future generations involved.

Loads of reasons. Family dynamics. Mistakenly thinking you’re protecting people. Denial. None of that makes it right but those are some reasons.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 02/11/2024 17:58

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:53

Like I said, I wouldn't have done what the MIL did, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asked my advice. But I do think it is right and important that she has the right to make that decision. Especially for something that's comparatively minor.

She does have the right to make the decision, people in her position with a genetic disorder or illness should certainly not be forced by the law or anyone else to reveal it. But the fact is that young adults who are considering whether to have kids need to consider their genetic history, if it is available.
She only had to write down the name of the condition when her son was about 20 and say that it wasn't life threatening and he may not even share that gene, but she was telling him in case he ever wanted to look into it at some point in the future.

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:58

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 02/11/2024 17:44

The law isn't the same thing as what is morally right and I think it's clear that people are responding more with what the moral thing to do is rather than the fact the law says the person doesn't have to tell their offspring they may have inherited life altering or life limiting conditions.

And laws are and absolutely should be up for debate.
That's how they get changed.

Just because something is a law, does not mean it's the right or the best thing or that it should not be debated.

Edited

There is no way a law will be passed that violates the sanctity of medical privacy.

The op has no right to mandate information. That is fact and everyone saying oh but mil should have disclosed are in a parallel legal system that doesn't exist.

If you read my post I share the method used in Ireland to share a need to screening without breaching medical privacy.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:59

LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:52

And I also developed benign fasciculation syndrome during pregnancy which caused all sorts of odd twitching. And can be hereditary. It’s also completely harmless and I’m not mad at my parents for not genetically testing me for it?

Yeah, I wouldn’t call losing the feeling in your arm or the hearing in one ear, harmless.

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:02

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:59

Yeah, I wouldn’t call losing the feeling in your arm or the hearing in one ear, harmless.

We don't know that that's permanent though, it may well be treatable. The DH didn't put it together that he was suffering similar symptoms as his mum and she's known she has the condition for decades.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:03

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:58

There is no way a law will be passed that violates the sanctity of medical privacy.

The op has no right to mandate information. That is fact and everyone saying oh but mil should have disclosed are in a parallel legal system that doesn't exist.

If you read my post I share the method used in Ireland to share a need to screening without breaching medical privacy.

Funny but there was a thread on here a couple of days ago about the woman who crashed into the school in Wimbledon, killing two children. Almost every poster was calling for her private medical evidence to be made public in the interests of ‘transparency’ despite a CPS statement that robust medical evidence had been made available supporting their decision not to prosecute. Funny old world. Especially on mumsnet.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:04

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:02

We don't know that that's permanent though, it may well be treatable. The DH didn't put it together that he was suffering similar symptoms as his mum and she's known she has the condition for decades.

Not really the point though is it. We don’t know if it is permanent. But we don’t know that it’s not. Or that it could have been prevented had he known sooner.

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 18:06

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:03

Funny but there was a thread on here a couple of days ago about the woman who crashed into the school in Wimbledon, killing two children. Almost every poster was calling for her private medical evidence to be made public in the interests of ‘transparency’ despite a CPS statement that robust medical evidence had been made available supporting their decision not to prosecute. Funny old world. Especially on mumsnet.

Not really. Probably the same people saying it here.

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:06

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:04

Not really the point though is it. We don’t know if it is permanent. But we don’t know that it’s not. Or that it could have been prevented had he known sooner.

You're right, it's not the point. It's the MIL's decision regardless, whether or not it's the decision we would take.