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MIL lied about genetic condition

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MyChirpyRoseDuck · 02/11/2024 16:19

Please bear with me, first time posting but really need some other unbiased perspective! My DH and I have been married for 13 years, and have two sons aged 10 and 6. About two years ago my DH started loosing feeling in his arm, lost his hearing in one ear, a range of symptoms. Cue multiple scans, trips to hospital and Drs. I eventually persuade DH to just let his mum know. As a mum, I’d want to know. I’ve always struggled with MIL, found her manipulative, tried to parent our children etc but maintained a reasonable relationship for the kids. Anyway, DH told MIL of the health problems. About 2 weeks later she calls, in floods of tears to admit she has a genetic condition and it’s likely he has it too. She’s known since he was 17 (we are in our 40’s). She didn’t seem to think that telling him was important. I’m furious. It’s a condition that’s not going to kill him but it’s going to impact his life, more severely as he gets older. I’m pretty mad that she didn’t tell him. But what I cannot forgive her for is that we went on to have children without genetic counselling. Our kids could have the same condition. Would I change my kids? Never. But would we have taken a different route had we known? Probably. I want nothing to do with her, but will continue to see her with the kids so they can have a relationship. My mum thinks I need to get over it. I’m just so mad. AIBU?

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RememberJez · 03/11/2024 21:21

HazelPlayer · 03/11/2024 18:57

Sometimes one act can tell you what you need to know about someone.

And she's kept this up for years and years too.

Gosh really well I hope you don’t have kids!

HazelPlayer · 03/11/2024 18:57

RememberJez · 03/11/2024 01:49

You don’t know her. Shit decision you mean.

Sometimes one act can tell you what you need to know about someone.

And she's kept this up for years and years too.

Marblesbackagain · 03/11/2024 03:31

noctilucentcloud · 02/11/2024 18:48

But that is different to this case, in yours the patient has their medical privacy respected, but you and your children (& others) will be told that they are at an increased risk of breast cancer. I think both are ethically correct - a health professional should protect their patients right to privacy, but they also have a duty of care to other people and by disclosing a risk (without naming an individual) they also fulfil that. The OPs MIL didn't disclose that familial risk or ask a medical professional to do it whilst maintaining her privacy. I think that's wrong. However, genetic testing and ethics have evolved since she was diagnosed, and she probably wasn't given the same advice or options or support as she would be if diagnosed today.

The advisement of screening is only possible due to being in a trial and part of it is giving significant family details. This is because the law doesn't allow sharing no matter what the circumstances.

Hopefully the trial will be identified as being appropriate and the process be rolled out.

Marblesbackagain · 03/11/2024 03:27

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:03

Funny but there was a thread on here a couple of days ago about the woman who crashed into the school in Wimbledon, killing two children. Almost every poster was calling for her private medical evidence to be made public in the interests of ‘transparency’ despite a CPS statement that robust medical evidence had been made available supporting their decision not to prosecute. Funny old world. Especially on mumsnet.

I certainly wasn't calling for private medical history to be made public. I didn't see that thread.

RememberJez · 03/11/2024 01:51

Guess it’s one of the genetic myopathies or dystrophies. All the best to your family op, the gene therapy technology is coming along quite well so ask the consultants about that as it’s uplifting stuff. She made a shit decision. Wishing you and your kids all the best.

RememberJez · 03/11/2024 01:49

HazelPlayer · 02/11/2024 21:29

When MIL had diagnosis she was “strongly advised” to tell her children so they could opt for testing

What a shit person.

You don’t know her. Shit decision you mean.

HazelPlayer · 02/11/2024 21:29

When MIL had diagnosis she was “strongly advised” to tell her children so they could opt for testing

What a shit person.

MyChirpyRoseDuck · 02/11/2024 20:35

MyChirpyRoseDuck · 02/11/2024 16:19

Please bear with me, first time posting but really need some other unbiased perspective! My DH and I have been married for 13 years, and have two sons aged 10 and 6. About two years ago my DH started loosing feeling in his arm, lost his hearing in one ear, a range of symptoms. Cue multiple scans, trips to hospital and Drs. I eventually persuade DH to just let his mum know. As a mum, I’d want to know. I’ve always struggled with MIL, found her manipulative, tried to parent our children etc but maintained a reasonable relationship for the kids. Anyway, DH told MIL of the health problems. About 2 weeks later she calls, in floods of tears to admit she has a genetic condition and it’s likely he has it too. She’s known since he was 17 (we are in our 40’s). She didn’t seem to think that telling him was important. I’m furious. It’s a condition that’s not going to kill him but it’s going to impact his life, more severely as he gets older. I’m pretty mad that she didn’t tell him. But what I cannot forgive her for is that we went on to have children without genetic counselling. Our kids could have the same condition. Would I change my kids? Never. But would we have taken a different route had we known? Probably. I want nothing to do with her, but will continue to see her with the kids so they can have a relationship. My mum thinks I need to get over it. I’m just so mad. AIBU?

Thank you to all your comments; I’m relieved that the majority agree with my thought process and appreciate the opinions of those who don’t- it’s given me things to think about. A few clarification points

  1. MIL does have symptoms but has always disguised them as something else (balance problems - poor muscle tone)
  2. the condition manifests itself differently in people and is worse in males; it’s incredibly bad luck that DH seems to have had the worst diagnosis we could have had
  3. It’s hereditary at a 50% chance of passing on. When MIL had diagnosis she was “strongly advised” to tell her children so they could opt for testing (she shared her original letter with us)
  4. My eldest knows the full story and has asked to be tested
  5. if he had known before, DH would have taken his physical fitness far more seriously; it could have alleviated some symptoms
  6. Ive enabled the relationship with MIL and grandchildren because I’m not sure it’s fair of me to stop it, if they choose to not want to see her then it’s up to the kids, but at the moment they still want that grandparent relationship
But seriously thank you to everyone who has commented and shared personal experiences, it’s been a huge help x
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HazelPlayer · 02/11/2024 20:08

Any remotely decent person would let their offspring know so they can decide whether to have genetic counselling and from that decide what options to take (if any options are available).

Basic decency.
Basic morals.
Basic responsibility.

HazelPlayer · 02/11/2024 19:49

I am sorry but her right to medical privacy over rides your right to know.

Nope.

Nope, Nope. Nope.

DoYouReally · 02/11/2024 19:17

It may be her decision but it's an extremely selfish one.

I would be disgusted with her.

BooneyBeautiful · 02/11/2024 19:09

When I was 60, I was diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer. This can often be genetic in the under 60s, but because I had only just turned 60, I was advised to be tested to be on the safe side. I was negative for the three known genes, although they will inform me if they find any other faulty genes in the future. DNA research is moving at an incredible speed. I told both my adult DC all about this before I had the test. It would never have occurred to me not to! Although I was negative, my DD will be entitled to have routine breast screening from the age of 40 instead of the usual 50, due to my diagnosis.

noctilucentcloud · 02/11/2024 18:48

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 16:29

YABU, she only found out when he was 17 and it was her decision to make to share or not. I am sorry but her right to medical privacy over rides your right to know.

We have been through this with breast cancer gene. It is better handled now. At 18 my sons will be advised they may be at higher risk due to familial tests, but it won't disclose who. They will have access to screening.

This to me is the way it should be, protection for individuals and privacy respected.

But that is different to this case, in yours the patient has their medical privacy respected, but you and your children (& others) will be told that they are at an increased risk of breast cancer. I think both are ethically correct - a health professional should protect their patients right to privacy, but they also have a duty of care to other people and by disclosing a risk (without naming an individual) they also fulfil that. The OPs MIL didn't disclose that familial risk or ask a medical professional to do it whilst maintaining her privacy. I think that's wrong. However, genetic testing and ethics have evolved since she was diagnosed, and she probably wasn't given the same advice or options or support as she would be if diagnosed today.

BPR · 02/11/2024 18:32

Yanbu.
Furious wouldn't touch how I would feel and your mother should keep her "get over it" views to herself.
Awfully selfish, controlling behaviour.

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 18:21

Gingernaut · 02/11/2024 18:14

We don't need to know, it's not life ending, but, so far, it's left him partially deafened and without full use of at least one limb

It sounds debilitating

I’m allowed to ask for more info for my opinion. Op doesn’t have to give it.

mummytrex · 02/11/2024 18:14

You're not being unreasonable at all.

To leave your husband in limbo for a further 2 weeks before telling him is awful. Also, had you known the option of genetic screening (PGT-M) could have been an option for you to consider when thinking about kids.

Gingernaut · 02/11/2024 18:14

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 17:17

We don’t even know what the condition is.

We don't need to know, it's not life ending, but, so far, it's left him partially deafened and without full use of at least one limb

It sounds debilitating

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:06

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:04

Not really the point though is it. We don’t know if it is permanent. But we don’t know that it’s not. Or that it could have been prevented had he known sooner.

You're right, it's not the point. It's the MIL's decision regardless, whether or not it's the decision we would take.

RememberJez · 02/11/2024 18:06

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:03

Funny but there was a thread on here a couple of days ago about the woman who crashed into the school in Wimbledon, killing two children. Almost every poster was calling for her private medical evidence to be made public in the interests of ‘transparency’ despite a CPS statement that robust medical evidence had been made available supporting their decision not to prosecute. Funny old world. Especially on mumsnet.

Not really. Probably the same people saying it here.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:04

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:02

We don't know that that's permanent though, it may well be treatable. The DH didn't put it together that he was suffering similar symptoms as his mum and she's known she has the condition for decades.

Not really the point though is it. We don’t know if it is permanent. But we don’t know that it’s not. Or that it could have been prevented had he known sooner.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 18:03

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:58

There is no way a law will be passed that violates the sanctity of medical privacy.

The op has no right to mandate information. That is fact and everyone saying oh but mil should have disclosed are in a parallel legal system that doesn't exist.

If you read my post I share the method used in Ireland to share a need to screening without breaching medical privacy.

Funny but there was a thread on here a couple of days ago about the woman who crashed into the school in Wimbledon, killing two children. Almost every poster was calling for her private medical evidence to be made public in the interests of ‘transparency’ despite a CPS statement that robust medical evidence had been made available supporting their decision not to prosecute. Funny old world. Especially on mumsnet.

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 18:02

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:59

Yeah, I wouldn’t call losing the feeling in your arm or the hearing in one ear, harmless.

We don't know that that's permanent though, it may well be treatable. The DH didn't put it together that he was suffering similar symptoms as his mum and she's known she has the condition for decades.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2024 17:59

LadyGabriella · 02/11/2024 17:52

And I also developed benign fasciculation syndrome during pregnancy which caused all sorts of odd twitching. And can be hereditary. It’s also completely harmless and I’m not mad at my parents for not genetically testing me for it?

Yeah, I wouldn’t call losing the feeling in your arm or the hearing in one ear, harmless.

Marblesbackagain · 02/11/2024 17:58

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 02/11/2024 17:44

The law isn't the same thing as what is morally right and I think it's clear that people are responding more with what the moral thing to do is rather than the fact the law says the person doesn't have to tell their offspring they may have inherited life altering or life limiting conditions.

And laws are and absolutely should be up for debate.
That's how they get changed.

Just because something is a law, does not mean it's the right or the best thing or that it should not be debated.

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There is no way a law will be passed that violates the sanctity of medical privacy.

The op has no right to mandate information. That is fact and everyone saying oh but mil should have disclosed are in a parallel legal system that doesn't exist.

If you read my post I share the method used in Ireland to share a need to screening without breaching medical privacy.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 02/11/2024 17:58

BarbaraHoward · 02/11/2024 17:53

Like I said, I wouldn't have done what the MIL did, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asked my advice. But I do think it is right and important that she has the right to make that decision. Especially for something that's comparatively minor.

She does have the right to make the decision, people in her position with a genetic disorder or illness should certainly not be forced by the law or anyone else to reveal it. But the fact is that young adults who are considering whether to have kids need to consider their genetic history, if it is available.
She only had to write down the name of the condition when her son was about 20 and say that it wasn't life threatening and he may not even share that gene, but she was telling him in case he ever wanted to look into it at some point in the future.