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lodger · 14/10/2024 22:32

Hi

Hoping for a bit of clarity and in need of a chat about my lodger. He's only been
here for a few weeks but ive found it challenging having someone in my home space. Tonight he bought back a friend with no prior warning and occupied the kitchen space and cooked for friend and they both ate at the table, chatting away. I found it quite rude to not give me the heads up that he was bringing a guest back and cooking dinner. I had to make my dinner then leave the kitchen as they were clearly chatting and eating and I felt like a third wheel. He is my lodger and I find this quite rude. Am I being unreasonable in expecting him to tell me that he's bringing a friend home? He also makes very loud phone calls alot of the time and hooks his calls up to an external speaker so that I can hear his conversations very clearly. his room is above mine. Again I find this quite disrespectful. Some viewpoints would be handy. Im not used to having people in my home and I lost my husband last year to cancer so its a big deal to have someone living in my space. Its an adjustment

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weirdoboelady · 16/10/2024 21:35

ItGhoul · 15/10/2024 10:03

In that case, he hasn't actually done anything that you've asked him not to do, has he? He had one friend over, once, and cooked some food.

I'm sorry, but I really, really don't think you're suited to living with a lodger. You can't expect to have someone lodging in your house and for things to be exactly the same as they were when you lived alone. I don't think you can expect him not to make phone calls in his room. If someone is living in your house, you will hear them sometimes. That's how it works.

You either need to stop taking in lodgers at all, or to have a very clear contract with your next lodger about what is/isn't acceptable to you. I don't think your lodger has done anything wrong; it's simply that you aren't suited to sharing living space (I wouldn't be suited to that, either).

I really disagree with this, far too final. I would rephrase it as 'all you need is a bit more experience in being the landlady of a lodger.' I don't think anyone who has never been a LL or a lodger is likely to get it all right first go. You need to talk and negotiate compromises (or you can set rules in stone in advance for future lodgers). Here are some key points to consider, from someone who has been both

  • how friendly do you actually want to be? (You might also want to consider how much of a parent you want to be - there are lots of young people and refugees who need life experience and practical advice)
  • the kitchen is often the place of greatest stress. Do you want to provide basic cooking facilities in lodger's own room, or put time limits on the kitchen?
  • what about visitors? Times? Overnighters? The last can vary from noisy sex to people having a parent or two overnight when they are staying locally. What are you happy to host?
  • so your lodger has fallen in love. He wants to give his girlfriend a key. Or his GF wants to leave later than he does in the morning, or be in the house when he's not there. How do you feel about this? (I know how I would feel, which is why I'm suggesting early legislation against it).

All these problems, and others, can be solved by thinking them through in advance so that you both know what the boundaries are. Nil desperandum!

PorridgeEater · 16/10/2024 21:34

You are in a difficult situation. I see you said that you wanted to move away from the house where your husband died, but to move away from your friends must make things very difficult. Even more so if you are not working so can't get to know people there (admittedly they might not be compatible).
On top of all this, to deal with a stranger in your house / personal space is perhaps too much - I can see why people have said having a lodger may not be for you, at least for now. It's very brave of you to have a man you do not know. Perhaps get to know people a bit first and try to find someone more compatible - maybe a woman, as has been said
Good luck.

Dorisbonson · 16/10/2024 21:21

lodger · 14/10/2024 22:59

there isn't a contract to be honest. I set a few ground rules before he moved in and just told him I don't want loads of people coming over all the time or staying over etc but ok if its now and again

You absolutely need a contract for your protection and his.

You also need to have the right type of home insurance policy.

Jc2001 · 16/10/2024 20:41

JMSA · 14/10/2024 22:53

Firstly, I'm so sorry for your loss.

I honestly don't mean to be rude, but you do sound a bit uptight for this arrangement. The phone thing, you have a fair point.
But I'm not sure he should have to tell you if he's bringing a friend over. An overnight thing would obviously be a different matter.

I don't know. It's just a question of curtosy isn't it? if you're going to be dominating the kitchen for a substantial amount of time in the evening then it's not unreasonable to expect someone to mention it beforehand is it? It feels like basic manners.

That said, I think the OP needs to decide whether having a lodger is right for them. I think you almost need to think of them as part of the family and be pretty sociable. It's not for everyone. Certainly wouldn't suit me.

lodger · 16/10/2024 20:33

Secradonugh · 16/10/2024 20:32

I'm not trying to say you are in the wrong, I think it was a communication failure. If it were me I'd be tempted to say that you'd like a chat, explain that you thought it was going to be like x, or y.. that you've now realised that he thinks it's more like z. You can always say that if he thinks he can lodge with those better defined rules, then great, and if he can't then you completely understand and that you'll give him a few weeks to find lodgings elsewhere.

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That's a good way to approach a conversation with him

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Secradonugh · 16/10/2024 20:32

I'm not trying to say you are in the wrong, I think it was a communication failure. If it were me I'd be tempted to say that you'd like a chat, explain that you thought it was going to be like x, or y.. that you've now realised that he thinks it's more like z. You can always say that if he thinks he can lodge with those better defined rules, then great, and if he can't then you completely understand and that you'll give him a few weeks to find lodgings elsewhere.

WomenInConstruction · 16/10/2024 20:31

@MrsFruitbat 👌

lodger · 16/10/2024 20:27

MrsFruitbat · 16/10/2024 20:24

Even in shared houses (and I always lived with friends ) we would have been very put out by someone taking over the kitchen to cook and make an elaborate intimate meal that excluded everyone else . Especially with no warning. Also taking over the sitting room in a way that no one else was able to come in . And it was extremely rude of them not to include you so that you had to scurry away with your plate .The lodger is behaving as if it is his house and you are the secondary person who doesn't merit his consideration .
I really don't understand all the criticism you are getting .
If anything you were too generous and assumed that he would be sensitive and respectful of your shared space and that you could work any problems out . Whereas he was happy to take over the kitchen and ignore you while he conducted his romantic dinner for two .
And whatever he pays it is a small amount compared to the bottomless pit of buying and owning a house and all the bills and the responsibility of sorting everything out financially . .

Thanks for understanding. Really appreciate it xxx

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Secradonugh · 16/10/2024 20:25

lodger · 14/10/2024 23:32

no. I assumed he would have the common courtesy as my lodger to give me the heads up that he's bringing people back and using my kitchen for the night

I'll be honest you are being unreasonable to expect a heads up if you haven't told him that's a rule. Even if he is a lodger, it is unreadable to expect him to not use the shared facilities like the kitchen. If you had said you must info me with 24 hrs notice if you want guests then you would not be unreasonable. Really you must communicate better because if he didn't like the rules he wouldn't have been your lodger.

MrsFruitbat · 16/10/2024 20:24

Even in shared houses (and I always lived with friends ) we would have been very put out by someone taking over the kitchen to cook and make an elaborate intimate meal that excluded everyone else . Especially with no warning. Also taking over the sitting room in a way that no one else was able to come in . And it was extremely rude of them not to include you so that you had to scurry away with your plate .The lodger is behaving as if it is his house and you are the secondary person who doesn't merit his consideration .
I really don't understand all the criticism you are getting .
If anything you were too generous and assumed that he would be sensitive and respectful of your shared space and that you could work any problems out . Whereas he was happy to take over the kitchen and ignore you while he conducted his romantic dinner for two .
And whatever he pays it is a small amount compared to the bottomless pit of buying and owning a house and all the bills and the responsibility of sorting everything out financially . .

Doubledenim305 · 16/10/2024 20:01

Lodgers are not for you. You like your own space.
Nothing wrong with that. I'd be the same. But bring it to an end asap and enjoy Ur home again.

RandomUserName96 · 16/10/2024 20:01

lodger · 15/10/2024 07:01

Ronomemo. No need to get personal. I came on here for advice not to be told I can't cope having a lodger. That's not very constructive

No you didn't

You came on here to pick out the advice you want.

I'm sorry for your loss, though I'm not sure it's relevant. But you are clearly not suited to this arrangement.

You don't even have a contract or agreement.

And whilst you consider your lodger a second class citizen and refuse to acknowledge that your house is also their home, I feel you may continue to struggle

Cerealkiller4U · 16/10/2024 19:56

lodger · 15/10/2024 22:19

No I meant he's pushed a few other boundaries not about having his friebd over.

In what way?

Cerealkiller4U · 16/10/2024 19:50

Startingagainandagain · 14/10/2024 23:10

I am going to go against the grain here.

As far as I am concerned a lodger pays for a room in a house. They don't get to use the whole house as their own.

I would make that clear OP. Tell the lodger he can of course use the kitchen to cook for himself and the bathroom, but he can't use your home to entertain guests or seat around in the living room watching your TV.

If that's what he expects he needs to get a proper rental contract for a flat or house share.

So he can never cook in the kitchen at all?!? Ever?!? 😳😳😳

havealookinthefridge · 16/10/2024 19:50

I think it’s the difference between being a lodger and being a house share. Maybe he thinks he’s a house share with equal rights to you.
I’d nip it in the bud!

Cerealkiller4U · 16/10/2024 19:49

lodger · 14/10/2024 22:53

btw he's the lodger, its my home in case you've got it confused

You do realise though that he’ll be in your space though right? As a lodger?

CharlotteLucas3 · 16/10/2024 19:33

I haven't read the full thread but the first page is full of people saying that you should expect a lodger to be sharing your house. Don't listen to them op. If he wants to use the whole house then he should get a room in a shared house.

I've had a couple of lodgers (but mostly foreign students) staying in my various homes over the years. They've almost all stayed in their rooms all of the time. It did feel like a huge intrusion if I found them in the living room! I realised after a few years that young lads were the easiest to host.

I do think it's a bit rubbish being a lodger - like being a second class citizen but you can't have people you don't know randomly coming to your house.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 16/10/2024 19:28

TemuSpecialBuy · 16/10/2024 19:24

As someone who actually had lodgers for almost a decade…

my excellent and free advice

accept it will be awkward but give notice, get rid of him and start again.

If you don’t you will regret it.

for the next lodger screen much more carefully and be a lot clearer from the off. Take learnings from this one…

your “offering” is very good and a lot of people would jump at a separate lounge so it’s a case of finding your “good match”

100% agree

TemuSpecialBuy · 16/10/2024 19:24

lodger · 15/10/2024 09:49

Thanks for all the responses on here. I had a friendly chat with him this morning and reiterated that I don't mind him bringing people back to his space upstairs but just to give me a bit of heads up if bringing people back to cook for and use kitchen as a social. I asked him if he's OK with it, he said yes but he was clearly not happy with being asked.

As someone who actually had lodgers for almost a decade…

my excellent and free advice

accept it will be awkward but give notice, get rid of him and start again.

If you don’t you will regret it.

for the next lodger screen much more carefully and be a lot clearer from the off. Take learnings from this one…

your “offering” is very good and a lot of people would jump at a separate lounge so it’s a case of finding your “good match”

lodger · 16/10/2024 19:14

Waterboatlass · 16/10/2024 15:38

Exact terms very much depend on what is agreed. It's up to the landlord to set these expectations at the outset, not keep moving the goalposts. There isn't some official Lodging template that everyone is expected to know (I'm sure there are suggested ones available). Lodging is not necessarily short term. Some people lodge for years. My family members have had lodgers who have had own bathroom but full access to living areas should they wish. Very much her home for a number of years.

It was a bit of a drip feed that this boils down to you not liking his guest's tone in large part. Perhaps she has misread the situation or he simply hasn't specified. There is no rule that he has to. Perhaps it was a clumsy compliment.

I think you need to take a lot more accountability for the situation unfolding not to your liking the other day. You could have made clear before him moving in that you expect notification/ request when guests visit. You could have been more assertive about using the kitchen. You could have specified that he entertains guests in his rooms. You could have responded 'thank you yes, that's why I decided to rent out part of the house'.

I am taking accountability believe me. I'm well aware that I didn't get it right and should have been clearer from the start and that I didn't handle the situation in the best way either.

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August1980 · 16/10/2024 19:13

Why have you taken on a lodger? Companionship or financial reasons?
I think if you take on a lodger you have to accept this is their home too and as always living with people who don’t know can be annoying. Have a chat with him about guests etc and then see how it goes.

FlippertyFlopperty · 16/10/2024 19:09

The phone conversation on loudspeaker would piss me off. What is the reason he does this?

Is he foreign?

Noononoo · 16/10/2024 19:08

I had this problem once. In my eyes he was my lodger in my house. In his eyes it was a house share. Because I think lodger is an old concept and he was young enough to be my son. There's a big difference. So I understand OP. I remember once my lodger, we’ll call him Adam, invited a few of his friends round for a dinner party, one Saturday night. I found it very strange. In my house, in my kitchen, without a by your leave. He hadn’t asked either. I’ve not had a lodger since though at the time I really needed the money to get by. Circumstances change. And expectations must. I don’t think the concept of lodgers and landladies really exists anymore.
He had everything in his room. Had a shelf in kitchen cupboard and fridge etc etc. I didn’t expect him to entertain in the shared part of house though, certainly not to assume he could.

angela1952 · 16/10/2024 19:06

We had lodgers for many years, because we had children I always cooked a meal in the evening for everybody so didn't have them using the kitchen other than for snacks.
I made it clear that I didn't want them bringing back boy/girl-friends - though long term lodgers did ask sometimes for the odd night. They did bring friends back but we had two living rooms so that wasn't a problem, and it didn't happen often
It sounds as though @lodger's got a lodger who thinks it's a flatshare, which it isn't.

lodger · 16/10/2024 19:06

laraitopbanana · 16/10/2024 18:27

Hi op,

lodgers usually expect general conduct rules to be said or put on wall
It is perfectly fine for you to not want your lodgers to bring guests or have specific requests with regards to the kitchen…but you might find this particular lodger isn’t interested anymore and so you’d have to find someone else.
About the phone calls, I’d tell him. Why didn’t you?

It does sound like you are a peivate person so it might not be something that you are enjoying…to have a lodger. Remember, also, it is a person…not your mortgage payment.

Good luck 🌺

Thanks for your advice. I'm not an insensitive person and just regarding him as a cash cow. I'm concerned about his feelings and am actually feeling anxious that he might be feeling unwelcome. I've made the mistake of not being clear on ground rules to be honest and its paid off badly. Hold my hands up and lessons learnt

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