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lodger · 14/10/2024 22:32

Hi

Hoping for a bit of clarity and in need of a chat about my lodger. He's only been
here for a few weeks but ive found it challenging having someone in my home space. Tonight he bought back a friend with no prior warning and occupied the kitchen space and cooked for friend and they both ate at the table, chatting away. I found it quite rude to not give me the heads up that he was bringing a guest back and cooking dinner. I had to make my dinner then leave the kitchen as they were clearly chatting and eating and I felt like a third wheel. He is my lodger and I find this quite rude. Am I being unreasonable in expecting him to tell me that he's bringing a friend home? He also makes very loud phone calls alot of the time and hooks his calls up to an external speaker so that I can hear his conversations very clearly. his room is above mine. Again I find this quite disrespectful. Some viewpoints would be handy. Im not used to having people in my home and I lost my husband last year to cancer so its a big deal to have someone living in my space. Its an adjustment

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lodger · 15/10/2024 18:06

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 15/10/2024 14:25

I am guessing there is not a table and chairs in his living room.

what notice period did you decide upon for each other ?

Hi he has a living room and bedroom upstairs but not really a dining space. Although he does have a desk in his living room

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Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 17:45

Wellingtonspie · 15/10/2024 17:42

Well yes he does as he lives there.

Inviting a friend for a meal when there is no space for anyone else living in the house with no heads up is an issue isn’t it. Thats my point.

In flat shares and house shares people invite friends over all the time

She has to make rules clear to him if she doesn't want guests over.

It's also fair for him to know, so then he can move into a more guest friendly house

GabriellaMontez · 15/10/2024 17:43

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 17:40

What if there is nonwhere else for him to eat.

He has to eat somewhere.

Op says he has his own living area.

Wellingtonspie · 15/10/2024 17:42

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 17:40

What if there is nonwhere else for him to eat.

He has to eat somewhere.

Well yes he does as he lives there.

Inviting a friend for a meal when there is no space for anyone else living in the house with no heads up is an issue isn’t it. Thats my point.

GabriellaMontez · 15/10/2024 17:41

Littys · 15/10/2024 16:29

OP, your mistake was to allow visitors.
Big mistake.
You want to have visitors, cook them meals, use the kitchen for the evening, find a house share.

I think a woman on her own is ill advised to rentva room to a man.
Far too many men are presumptuous and have the ability to make you feel intimidated.

Give him notice and rethink this.
A monday to thurdays arrangement can be excellent.

But sort out your rules.
Allowing visitors is asking for you and your home to be taken advantage of.

Totally agree.

He's already treating it like a houseshare and he's only been there 5 minutes.

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 17:40

Wellingtonspie · 15/10/2024 16:45

I do think it’s off for a lodger or a house share frankly to with No warning basically take up the whole kitchen which doubles up as a dining room for the entire evening with an unannounced guest.

It would be Different if they cooked and then ate in a separate dining room or their own personal space.

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What if there is nonwhere else for him to eat.

He has to eat somewhere.

Wellingtonspie · 15/10/2024 16:45

I do think it’s off for a lodger or a house share frankly to with No warning basically take up the whole kitchen which doubles up as a dining room for the entire evening with an unannounced guest.

It would be Different if they cooked and then ate in a separate dining room or their own personal space.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 15/10/2024 16:37

lodger · 15/10/2024 00:32

Interesting responses. I've definitely become less easy going since losing my husband to cancer last April. I think a friendly conversation about giving me the heads up if possible before bringing friends over is on the cards. Nothing drastic or intense. And next time he puts his phone onto his speakers so I can hear every word, I will politely ask him to kero it down. I will relax more in time, its an adjustment having a lodger and I definitely need to chill out a little too

I'm so sorry about your husband OP, that must be devastating.
FWIW, I don't think there is any point in trying to have a 'friendly conversation, nothing drastic or intense' in this situation. This message is that you don't like his behaviour and are explaining how you want him to change it, and it's better to say that as clearly as possible, politely of course and apologising for not having been clear in the first place. Otherwise you risk sounding so vague that he doesn't take the hint, or irritatingly passive aggressive.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 15/10/2024 16:30

As PPs have said, you need to be clear and a written contract would be help because if he can't sign it, he's not for you.
I would not live anywhere I wasn't allowed to have a friend round for a meal but I would accept eating in my room provided there was a table and chairs. He shouldn't have to ask first - it's his home now. Having overnight guests is different and should be agreed in advance.
But remember that this guy has only just arrived and it is bound to be weird until you are used to him. Keep chatting and getting to know him and you may get a new friend out of this.

Littys · 15/10/2024 16:29

OP, your mistake was to allow visitors.
Big mistake.
You want to have visitors, cook them meals, use the kitchen for the evening, find a house share.

I think a woman on her own is ill advised to rentva room to a man.
Far too many men are presumptuous and have the ability to make you feel intimidated.

Give him notice and rethink this.
A monday to thurdays arrangement can be excellent.

But sort out your rules.
Allowing visitors is asking for you and your home to be taken advantage of.

WomenInConstruction · 15/10/2024 16:15

lodger · 15/10/2024 09:49

Thanks for all the responses on here. I had a friendly chat with him this morning and reiterated that I don't mind him bringing people back to his space upstairs but just to give me a bit of heads up if bringing people back to cook for and use kitchen as a social. I asked him if he's OK with it, he said yes but he was clearly not happy with being asked.

Then he isn't cut out to be a lodger.
Lodgings are not your own home.
Give him his notice, whatever that is.
Start fresh when with the lessons you've learnt from this.

TartfulRidesAgain2 · 15/10/2024 15:57

biedrona · 15/10/2024 15:39

Spot on. Lodger pays for a room not house share

But he was given more than just a room and was also told it was ok to have people over now and again. That has now shifted by the sound of things and is now only ok if he asks permission first?

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 15:46

biedrona · 15/10/2024 15:39

Spot on. Lodger pays for a room not house share

No. Wrong

Lodger also pays for use of the common areas.

It wouldn't be legal to make him stay in his bedroom all the time.

biedrona · 15/10/2024 15:39

Startingagainandagain · 14/10/2024 23:10

I am going to go against the grain here.

As far as I am concerned a lodger pays for a room in a house. They don't get to use the whole house as their own.

I would make that clear OP. Tell the lodger he can of course use the kitchen to cook for himself and the bathroom, but he can't use your home to entertain guests or seat around in the living room watching your TV.

If that's what he expects he needs to get a proper rental contract for a flat or house share.

Spot on. Lodger pays for a room not house share

BabyCloud · 15/10/2024 15:39

I don’t think he is the unreasonable one. Maybe a lodger isn’t for you.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/10/2024 15:26

The speaker phone would have had me giving him the heave ho , tbh. It’s a symptom of the next problem, which is he either doesn’t perceive, or doesn’t care about personal space. I expect he uses speaker phone on the train (and manspreads/ doesn’t move his bag off the seat, etc). I am only joking a bit.

OP, your house sounds pretty nice for a lodger, good self contained space. I just can’t understand why you decided to rent to a bloke instead of a ( preferably middle aged ) woman.

No need to give up just yet. Everything has a learning curve 🧚🏻‍♂️

usernotuser · 15/10/2024 15:17

If you're not sure about having a lodger long term you won't want to be creating an upstairs mini kitchen for him. Some PP seem to suggest if you do certain things like that it veers into tenancy. He could have 2 chairs and a small table to eat at, maybe a kettle but I wouldn't do more than that. He can take guests there to eat but he will need access to your kitchen for most things and that's part of the deal. He just needs to let you know ahead of time if he's going to dominate that space with a guest in tow!

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 15:16

SunQueen24 · 15/10/2024 14:55

Yeah obviously. That’s why compromise is important and getting someone who’s the right fit. Its harder than living with a partner etc or family as you don’t have the same intimacy so addressing things is more challenging.

It's never easy sharing with a complete stranger.

I would never take a lodger into my house.

Even if I needed extra money I would rather work a few hours in another part time job, them get a lodger.

CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 15:13

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 14:35

All the people on here complaining about their lodgers. Do you ever think that they find you difficult?

I remember chatting to a woman once, and she was complaining on and on to me about her young female lodger.

And I remember feeling sorry for the lodger, not for her!

I'm sure they're all perfect landlords.

CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 15:12

lodger · 15/10/2024 10:08

True. I absolutely don't mind him bringing friebds back but the kitchen is the one space I feel most at home in and it's the biggest room in the house so I think it's only fair to get a heads up. I get that he might be worried though.

Yeah, I mean you shifted the goalposts on him, you're not actually alright with him having friends over really, from what you've said, if they are going to be in what you see as "your" space.

I can see the next friction point already. You've asked for a "heads up" next time, he does that, but you then don't want him having a friend over at that time and you expect to be able to veto. This isn't going to end well.

I've been a lodger twice FWIW, when I was much younger. One place was fine because we had a very firm agreement in place about guests, cleaning, use of communal areas, etc and he was often away for work so we didn't get in each other's hair too much. The other place, the owner constantly changed what he was ok and not ok with and I never knew where I stood. It was beyond stressful. I wish people would not take lodgers if they don't really want them or haven't thought through the implications - it's unfair.

TartfulRidesAgain2 · 15/10/2024 15:10

lodger · 14/10/2024 22:59

there isn't a contract to be honest. I set a few ground rules before he moved in and just told him I don't want loads of people coming over all the time or staying over etc but ok if its now and again

Having lodged a long time before getting my own place this kind of reads like you told him at the start that it was ok now and again but when he actually did it, it wasn't ok? There may possibly be some mixed messages he's picking up. If you told him it was ok now and again then that might be why he thought it would be ok now and again.

SunQueen24 · 15/10/2024 14:55

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 14:35

All the people on here complaining about their lodgers. Do you ever think that they find you difficult?

I remember chatting to a woman once, and she was complaining on and on to me about her young female lodger.

And I remember feeling sorry for the lodger, not for her!

Yeah obviously. That’s why compromise is important and getting someone who’s the right fit. Its harder than living with a partner etc or family as you don’t have the same intimacy so addressing things is more challenging.

HowMuchShouldBePaid · 15/10/2024 14:53

Unless his living room.is really tiny you would have room for a kitchenette, IKEA have some useful free standing units. If he had that ,other than him being to noisy, you wouldn't cross paths at all, not good of you wanted the arrangement for some company , but might suit you better ?

I have lodgers but they have Thier own mini "kitchens" , only use the main kitchen if they need the oven , which is rare .

Personally I'd rather share a bathroom than a kitchen.

Ted27 · 15/10/2024 14:43

@lodger

If he has his own living room and bathroom as well as bedroom I think I would be suggesting that if he wants guests for the evening then he uses his own living room
I had lodgers for about 15 years. You do have to have a bit of give and take but it's not unreasonable to expect him to use the space he is renting.
Does he have a table and chairs in there?

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 14:35

All the people on here complaining about their lodgers. Do you ever think that they find you difficult?

I remember chatting to a woman once, and she was complaining on and on to me about her young female lodger.

And I remember feeling sorry for the lodger, not for her!

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