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lodger · 14/10/2024 22:32

Hi

Hoping for a bit of clarity and in need of a chat about my lodger. He's only been
here for a few weeks but ive found it challenging having someone in my home space. Tonight he bought back a friend with no prior warning and occupied the kitchen space and cooked for friend and they both ate at the table, chatting away. I found it quite rude to not give me the heads up that he was bringing a guest back and cooking dinner. I had to make my dinner then leave the kitchen as they were clearly chatting and eating and I felt like a third wheel. He is my lodger and I find this quite rude. Am I being unreasonable in expecting him to tell me that he's bringing a friend home? He also makes very loud phone calls alot of the time and hooks his calls up to an external speaker so that I can hear his conversations very clearly. his room is above mine. Again I find this quite disrespectful. Some viewpoints would be handy. Im not used to having people in my home and I lost my husband last year to cancer so its a big deal to have someone living in my space. Its an adjustment

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lodger · 15/10/2024 23:15

CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 23:11

This is such a drip feed. Every time you get called out you up the ante and say oh but he's done something worse than what you've disclosed. First it was "oh but his friend spoke to me in a disrespectful way" and now he's pushed boundaries in other ways you haven't explained.

Starting to think this isn't genuine now. I'm out.

That's your prerogative to go. You seem to be taking all if this very strongly. I suggest if uts upsetting you it's probably best you do go? I came on here to trouble shoot and get advice. He has pushed boundaries and its up to me if I wish to disclose any further

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Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 23:12

Todaywasbetter · 15/10/2024 23:01

The lodger is a grown man. What has compassion got to do with it?

She wrote "get him gone" very coldly

Which is a horrible way to talk about someone full stop.

If it was me, I would pause to think, where will he go next to live?
Does he have somewhere to go.
It would be good to give him a months notice to give him time to find somewhere.

StormingNorman · 15/10/2024 23:12

OP you don’t want other people living in your house. Bring this one to an end and don’t replace him.

If you can’t afford the house, move somewhere smaller. You’ll be happier than having your home “invaded”.

CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 23:11

lodger · 15/10/2024 22:22

I get he might be feeling anxious and I've tried to ease things with him as that's not nice to feel anxious at home or anywhere for that matter. He has pushed boundaries in other ways

This is such a drip feed. Every time you get called out you up the ante and say oh but he's done something worse than what you've disclosed. First it was "oh but his friend spoke to me in a disrespectful way" and now he's pushed boundaries in other ways you haven't explained.

Starting to think this isn't genuine now. I'm out.

Todaywasbetter · 15/10/2024 23:01

The lodger is a grown man. What has compassion got to do with it?

Mrsdoyler · 15/10/2024 22:38

Avanet · 15/10/2024 22:36

It appears quite a lot don't understand the difference between a lodger and house share. It is not his house nor is the whole building his home. His home is his bedroom, his private sitting room and his private bathroom. He has access to kitchen facilities in her home. Access, not equal usage. Her kitchen is not his entertainment space. He does kitchen things in there, at reasonable times and then goes back to his rooms. It is not a house share. Her private living room is also not his space, at all. Nor should he expect access to it to allow his girlfriend to come in at will and talk at OP like it's his shared space.

He is acting like he thinks he has 50% rights over the property.

If he wants that, he pays for house share price. He is paying lodger money and expecting house share level access.

@lodger Get him gone. Make up a typed list to show to prospective replacements before you and they agree to terms. His surly response was a red flag in my view. I do think he sees you as vulnerable, easy to push around. He took over your kitchen and edged you out. Do not put up with that. He can cook and take it to his rooms because that is what he is paying for. Again, communal areas are for utility and are not for entertaining his guests in like he owns the place.

It's easy to tell that you were a landlord.

You have zero compassion for the lodger.

Avanet · 15/10/2024 22:36

It appears quite a lot don't understand the difference between a lodger and house share. It is not his house nor is the whole building his home. His home is his bedroom, his private sitting room and his private bathroom. He has access to kitchen facilities in her home. Access, not equal usage. Her kitchen is not his entertainment space. He does kitchen things in there, at reasonable times and then goes back to his rooms. It is not a house share. Her private living room is also not his space, at all. Nor should he expect access to it to allow his girlfriend to come in at will and talk at OP like it's his shared space.

He is acting like he thinks he has 50% rights over the property.

If he wants that, he pays for house share price. He is paying lodger money and expecting house share level access.

@lodger Get him gone. Make up a typed list to show to prospective replacements before you and they agree to terms. His surly response was a red flag in my view. I do think he sees you as vulnerable, easy to push around. He took over your kitchen and edged you out. Do not put up with that. He can cook and take it to his rooms because that is what he is paying for. Again, communal areas are for utility and are not for entertaining his guests in like he owns the place.

lodger · 15/10/2024 22:22

lodger · 15/10/2024 22:19

No I meant he's pushed a few other boundaries not about having his friebd over.

I get he might be feeling anxious and I've tried to ease things with him as that's not nice to feel anxious at home or anywhere for that matter. He has pushed boundaries in other ways

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lodger · 15/10/2024 22:19

CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 22:04

He didn't push a boundary, because you didn't set one!

You allowed him to have friends over, then when he did, you decided you didn't like it and that it wasn't ok without letting you know first.

You now have set a boundary, and it would of course be entirely unreasonable and wrong if he didn't respect it, even if he doesn't like it. But you can't say he pushed a boundary that wasn't there in the first place.

I don't want to have a go, because you've clearly had a difficult time of it and perhaps didn't realise how difficult sharing your home might be. But you are being quite unreasonable here. You expect him to not only accept you changing your mind about something when he's already moved in, you expect him to show no displeasure either!

I get that it's your house, and appreciate it was uncomfortable for you to have your space feeling "taken over" in a way you weren't prepared for - but your lodger is human too. Nobody likes feeling chastised, and especially not when they didn't believe they did anything wrong in the first place. He probably is feeling a bit anxious about what else you will change your mind about now.

No I meant he's pushed a few other boundaries not about having his friebd over.

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CrazyGoatLady · 15/10/2024 22:04

lodger · 15/10/2024 21:39

I did ask nicely and even said "is that OK with you". He seemed upset and showed it by giving arty minimal responses and none engagement buy when he got back this eve he made an effort to be friendly and even took the rubbish out 😂 I'm still figuring out what he's about but I dint think he's a bad guy but is perhaps unaware of the effect pushing boundaries has on folk

He didn't push a boundary, because you didn't set one!

You allowed him to have friends over, then when he did, you decided you didn't like it and that it wasn't ok without letting you know first.

You now have set a boundary, and it would of course be entirely unreasonable and wrong if he didn't respect it, even if he doesn't like it. But you can't say he pushed a boundary that wasn't there in the first place.

I don't want to have a go, because you've clearly had a difficult time of it and perhaps didn't realise how difficult sharing your home might be. But you are being quite unreasonable here. You expect him to not only accept you changing your mind about something when he's already moved in, you expect him to show no displeasure either!

I get that it's your house, and appreciate it was uncomfortable for you to have your space feeling "taken over" in a way you weren't prepared for - but your lodger is human too. Nobody likes feeling chastised, and especially not when they didn't believe they did anything wrong in the first place. He probably is feeling a bit anxious about what else you will change your mind about now.

LoveTheRainAndSun · 15/10/2024 21:46

WiddlinDiddlin · 15/10/2024 13:04

I don't think you understand what a lodger is and how that works.

If the OP provided lodger with self contained kitchen, they'd be a tenant, not a lodger.

Being a lodger is about as basic, and cheap, as it gets - room, shared use of some facilities. You sleep there, you keep your head down and are unobtrusive in your use of those shared facilities. You don't get a lock on your room, you don't get use of living areas just kitchen/bathroom, you're expected not to 'hang out' in any other area of the house.

Some people are suited to this lifestyle, some people have no choice due to finances/circumstances. Some people will form good relationships with their landlord/lady and get more freedom, more relaxed rules, but that isn't what is expected.

I don't really have experience of lodging but I would think that use of their own room, kitchen and bathroom would be the minimum for a person to carry out the normal tasks of living anywhere. I don't think a lodger can be expected to live on microwave meals for however many months or years they are there.

It supports being able to be unobtrusive if the lodgers room is properly equipped with a bed, desk/table and cosy chair also. That would suit me very well, not even having to come out unless I need the bathroom or kitchen. No need to be social with the owner. Also, no expectation to do housework outside the wider house (and my share of the kitchen/bathroom I use). Sounds like an easy deal to me.

lodger · 15/10/2024 21:44

lodger · 15/10/2024 21:42

Let's not get personal or nasty. And my husband died last year and I left all of my friends up north to move to a place where I dint know anyone. I've only Bern here a month. So YES I have friebds. Have been confiding in them but they live miles away as I needed to leave the place where my husband died

I apologise I misread what you said. Very sorry, thought you were haying on me. You were being kind and compassionate xxx

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lodger · 15/10/2024 21:42

MsAmerica · 15/10/2024 21:40

Excuse me, but having a lodger is a superlative way to have an income under certain circumstances. And it's unreasonable that you seem to expect that the OP immediately should know instinctively how to handle everything. It would be nice if she had some friends to turn to, but maybe she hasn't.

Let's not get personal or nasty. And my husband died last year and I left all of my friends up north to move to a place where I dint know anyone. I've only Bern here a month. So YES I have friebds. Have been confiding in them but they live miles away as I needed to leave the place where my husband died

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MsAmerica · 15/10/2024 21:40

ReshyAmina · 15/10/2024 06:04

Call it what you want. It’s still his home.

I don’t think you should ever have a lodger. It’s not something you can handle.

Excuse me, but having a lodger is a superlative way to have an income under certain circumstances. And it's unreasonable that you seem to expect that the OP immediately should know instinctively how to handle everything. It would be nice if she had some friends to turn to, but maybe she hasn't.

lodger · 15/10/2024 21:39

WomenInConstruction · 15/10/2024 19:53

Yes, but if she asks him nicely to let her know he could agree without being disgruntled... Assuming op asked nicely. Just as a decent human sharing your space thing.

I did ask nicely and even said "is that OK with you". He seemed upset and showed it by giving arty minimal responses and none engagement buy when he got back this eve he made an effort to be friendly and even took the rubbish out 😂 I'm still figuring out what he's about but I dint think he's a bad guy but is perhaps unaware of the effect pushing boundaries has on folk

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lodger · 15/10/2024 21:32

Bringbackspring · 15/10/2024 18:18

Maybe you could have a friendly chat with him and go over what you both consider to be reasonable and appropriate? It might be that he genuinely hasn't realised he's doing anything wrong? Obviously you can ask him to leave without giving a reason or notice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't sound like he's doing anything too bad. You just aren't clear on each others expectations. Try having a chat, it may go better than you expect.

I have had many lodgers (we have one now) and it does take a bit of adjustment. I was really embarrassed to set loads of ground rules and have a contract with the first one as I knew her and it seemed so formal. But honestly as time has gone on and we've had more lodgers, I don't really care any more. Having a definitive list of rules and expectations has been really helpful, and teh contract is a must. If nothing else it just sets the bar from the start that it is a business relationship and there are expectations. One of the rules includes letting us know if anyone is coming round, and all of our lodgers have abided by it quite happily.

I've also gotten much better at raising issues with them if needed. There are quite a lot of things I let go because I don't want to nit pick over small things and you're never going to 100% like everything another person does. But if something really needs saying, I just say it and don't really worry about it.

That's really helpful 😀 thanks. I chatted to him again tonight and basically said that I I've come across as giving mixed messages then sorry and that he's welcome to bring his girlfriend round but just to give me heads up if wanting to dine in kitchen etc. I tried opening the conversation up for him to let me know his thoughts but he was reticent. Hopefully in time things will ease between us its only been two weeks. Sounds like you've got a good handle on it with your lodgers :) x

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/10/2024 21:00

GivingitToGod · 15/10/2024 20:42

This.
OP, u have made it clear that u r finding it hard sharing your space. U should have considered this before taking in a lodger.

To be fair to the OP she probably didn't realise how hard it would be to share her home. When DM had lodgers they weren't allowed into the house and there were bolts on the doors but it was still hard knowing there were strangers in our home.

Cherrysoup · 15/10/2024 20:53

I think I’d go further and ask him to have guests in his space, they don’t need a dining table to eat food he’s made. The phone on loudspeakers is really anti-social, I’d tell, not ask him to knock that on the head. He’s not a tenant, he can be asked to leave with pretty much no notice.

GivingitToGod · 15/10/2024 20:48

Edenmum2 · 14/10/2024 23:43

This is a completely contradictory comment. You either want him to feel at home or you don't. In his own home he wouldn't have to ask permission to have a guest round or use a speaker in his room.

To be honest you sound a bit too uptight to have a lodger - you keep saying 'it's MY home' - we all get that, but he is paying to stay there and if you want him to live like a silent hermit then that should have been discussed.

Moving forward - how would you have wanted it handled? Him asking your permission? If so - tell him.

Keep in mind though - it may be your house but you are profiting from him staying there so surely you are willing to make some minor compromises?

SPOT ON

GivingitToGod · 15/10/2024 20:42

rwalker · 14/10/2024 22:53

I don’t think it’s going to work you like the idea of have the money but don’t want to share your house

he’s paying good money and this is his home

This.
OP, u have made it clear that u r finding it hard sharing your space. U should have considered this before taking in a lodger.

GivingitToGod · 15/10/2024 20:40

lodger · 14/10/2024 23:32

no. I assumed he would have the common courtesy as my lodger to give me the heads up that he's bringing people back and using my kitchen for the night

You were assuming, just like lodger is assuming it's ok
Important to be open and honest with him

GivingitToGod · 15/10/2024 20:34

lodger · 14/10/2024 22:53

btw he's the lodger, its my home in case you've got it confused

Yes, he is the lodger in your home . So if he is paying rent, it is is home too right now. I don't feel he needs to tell you if he is bringing a friend home. Did you have discussions re use of kitchen prior to him moving in ? Does he have a tenancy/rental agreement?
It seems that you may not have given sufficient consideration to the reality of having a lodger. This isn't a criticism , just a statement of fact

GabriellaMontez · 15/10/2024 20:33

lodger · 15/10/2024 19:09

Thanks for understanding. I felt invaded and his friend walked into Mt living room and talked at me in a very patronising tone about the house being really big as if it didn't belong to me. I think she's under the impression that my lodger is an equal tenant and we're doing a house share but he knows it's not that at all

I suspect he has told her you're sharing the house.

Spirallingdownwards · 15/10/2024 20:33

lodger · 14/10/2024 22:59

there isn't a contract to be honest. I set a few ground rules before he moved in and just told him I don't want loads of people coming over all the time or staying over etc but ok if its now and again

This right here is where you gave him permission to have someone over.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/10/2024 20:33

OCDmama · 15/10/2024 20:30

I feel sorry for your lodge tbh. He bought one friend back, they dared to cook and eat a meal in the kitchen and you have a go at him for it.

After not having said he couldn't do those things. You told him off like he was a student. That's why he wasn't happy about the conversation.

If you want the money from someone lodging you have to let them feel like they have a home.

How do you know how OP spoke to her lodger?

He should have had the common courtesy to say he wanted to use the kitchen at a certain time. I'd even do that to DH if I had friends coming round, let alone if I was a lodger in someone else's house

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