Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

For not wanting DH to drive with the kids in the car

114 replies

Evecob · 31/08/2024 18:57

So today we were supposed to be having a fun family day out,.. we have 3 kids. We usually all take turns playing music we like when we take a road trip (only 1 hour this time), but the kids were on their tablets and didnt want to do this, DH was driving and also didnt want to as he was in a foul mood, and put his own headphones in blocking out everyone. I put on music through the car as usual, as I had no headphones of my own. Usually the music would be played really loud, but as everyone else was doing their own thing and my DH wanted the music lower, i reduced it from 15 to 9. Im autistic (undiagnosed) but musoc is a big stim for me and i get a lot of enjoyment from it, im always singing to myself and its a way i enjoy expressing myself. Dh knows this. When he saw me enjoying the music he reduced the volume to a volume i couldnt really hear it.
I left it on 8... he then turned on the sat nav to speak directions, i asked him why he did that when he has his own headphones in because she couldnt be heard, lower than my music, because the sound was already so low. He said he will know because the sound will disappear so will know to look at the sat nav... (?) he has his own headphones in so this made no sense to me...

Time went by, and a song of mine finished, the next one was really quiet so i turned it up to hear it, and he flipped. Started revving harder while driving shouting about how selfish i am, threw his phone over in my direction, ripped his earphones out and threw them violently at me, one hit my neck and then fell on the floor. All i could think was he was in a temper and we and kids are not safe. I told him to pull over asap and i will drive the rest of the way. He did but stomped about doing so and refused to speak to me the rest of the way. The kids asked what we were doing, i just said mummys driving now, luckily the kids didnt notice anything else, so i spent the rest of the trip light hearted and didnt want to ruin the day. DH spent most of it storming off on his own but the kids and me were so happy they didnt really notice anything amiss.

He didnt apologise about his behaviour, and when i brought it up in a quiet moment telling him his behavioir was dangerous and i dont want him driving the kids anywhere, he stormed off.

Im not sure what i can really do in this situation. But i dont feel comfortable. He has a history of aggressive behaviour, already had anger management sessions, individual and couples therapy, neither have worked out. He refuses to continue individual therapy.

OP posts:
MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2024 14:52

Fabulous update OP, which everyone will miss unfortunately!

"He would have been put on domestic abuse course but he chose to get a solicitor and answer no comment to all questions..... so he has been removed from the house for 3 months on bail."

Just a note to say that the research shows that about 90% of the men who go on violence prevention courses don't change. Not a bit. Yours doesn't even want to try. Please stick to your decision. Don't live with him again if you can help it.

BerlinSky · 15/11/2024 14:50

Evecob · 15/11/2024 14:35

Hi all.. wanted to update this thread.. we are getting divorced.

I did report him as i was advised on here, and i did stick to the boundary of not driving the kids. He ended up hating this and said he also wanted to separate. He has been awful during the separation, calling me all sorts to his friends, blaming me for goading him into it, not taking accountability. I told him i didnt feel comfortable in the car with him anymore and he refused to leave the car and get into his own, (2 weeks after separating) so i started recording as i felt unsafe, and got him on record admitting to what he did.

After giving evidence to police of this and previous assault 2 yrs ago, they arrested him. He would have been put on domestic abuse course but he chose to get a solicitor and answer no comment to all questions..... so he has been removed from the house for 3 months on bail.

The difference in the children is shocking. Theres no tension and seem free to be themselves, within reason lol. I feel lighter and while i have felt guilty... its also his decision not to admit it and be allowed back.

So far he has seen the kids 4 times in 1 month (hes been out the house since 20th october) and for past 2 weeks no attempt made by him to see the kids.

If anyone else is able to do the same... it is worth getting that headspace to breathe... i was definitely trauma bonded and my urge to fix things was strong in first 2 weeks.. i still feel it now. But i know this is for the best. The psychological and emotional abuse was causing me so much mental suffering

Edited

Just seen your update, I am so happy for you that you have left, things may be difficult through this period but it sounds like you've definitely made the right decision!

BerlinSky · 15/11/2024 14:48

You need to leave, not only should you not have to go through this abuse, but by staying you are putting your children through this. Please re-read what you wrote below, he will never change, he's already proven that. Please leave, not only for your sake but for your kids. Don't let them grow up like this.

"But i dont feel comfortable. He has a history of aggressive behaviour, already had anger management sessions, individual and couples therapy, neither have worked out. He refuses to continue individual therapy."

Canogapark · 15/11/2024 14:38

It’s highly unlikely your children won’t have noticed his abuse and your reaction. Your children and you deserve better than this.

Evecob · 15/11/2024 14:35

Hi all.. wanted to update this thread.. we are getting divorced.

I did report him as i was advised on here, and i did stick to the boundary of not driving the kids. He ended up hating this and said he also wanted to separate. He has been awful during the separation, calling me all sorts to his friends, blaming me for goading him into it, not taking accountability. I told him i didnt feel comfortable in the car with him anymore and he refused to leave the car and get into his own, (2 weeks after separating) so i started recording as i felt unsafe, and got him on record admitting to what he did.

After giving evidence to police of this and previous assault 2 yrs ago, they arrested him. He would have been put on domestic abuse course but he chose to get a solicitor and answer no comment to all questions..... so he has been removed from the house for 3 months on bail.

The difference in the children is shocking. Theres no tension and seem free to be themselves, within reason lol. I feel lighter and while i have felt guilty... its also his decision not to admit it and be allowed back.

So far he has seen the kids 4 times in 1 month (hes been out the house since 20th october) and for past 2 weeks no attempt made by him to see the kids.

If anyone else is able to do the same... it is worth getting that headspace to breathe... i was definitely trauma bonded and my urge to fix things was strong in first 2 weeks.. i still feel it now. But i know this is for the best. The psychological and emotional abuse was causing me so much mental suffering

OP posts:
CucumberBagel · 10/09/2024 18:43

Why are you still buying his bullshit about 50:50? He won't go for it, because it would be too much work, and he won't get it, because he's a dangerous driver undergoing anger management. Wake up.

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 18:49

Good luck to your kids.

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 18:37

Hopefully the police will notify social services and the decision is taken out of your hands.

Evecob · 08/09/2024 18:34

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 18:04

So when is it going to be safe?

You clearly can't do this alone, can't leave so you need help.

All the while your kids are living in a toxic home.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't want the relationship to end.

You are not putting your kids first.

Edited

Its important that my children have stability and access to a loving kind mother who puts their needs first, and is able to keep them grounded when their dad does selfish things, lets them know that they are more important that video games.

Its important for my children to not be left alone with a dangerous neglectful bullying man

Its important they have somewhere stable to live and are not exposed to my husbands extended family who are also psychologically dangerous.

I have been working on myself for the past 2 years straight, im in therapy but once a month. I have not had a chance to discuss this yet.

Obviously it would be perfect if we could amicably divorce and I get full custody of the kids, but it isnt like this. It will never be like this.

I dont argue with him. I only stand up for my children if he is saying or doing something selfish. And enforce my own boundaries. Sometimes when i dont understand things it can trigger him when im looking for confirmation etc and he thinks i am being rude.

I am afraid of what he can do covertly and in secret. Everything I am doing is for my children. Its never as cut and dry as just leave.

As long as I am not being unreasonable to continue to enforce no driving with the kids then i can continue to enforce without feeling like i might be wrong. Thank you

OP posts:
Evecob · 08/09/2024 18:23

Biffbaff · 08/09/2024 18:17

You're not wrong to continue enforcing the no driving the kids rule. You know that.

However your relationship sounds like one where you goad each other into arguments which is not healthy.

Thank you for your input that im not wrong enforcing it.

OP posts:
Evecob · 08/09/2024 18:22

Biffbaff · 08/09/2024 18:17

You're not wrong to continue enforcing the no driving the kids rule. You know that.

However your relationship sounds like one where you goad each other into arguments which is not healthy.

Where do you get the impression we goad eachother into arguments?

I asked the question because I was genuinely unsure.

OP posts:
GingerPirate · 08/09/2024 18:18

Instant turn off.
But, if you aren't gonna leave, that's it, what's the point of commenting?
Just walk on eggshells to pacify this twat and maybe when you're older, you'll get there.

Biffbaff · 08/09/2024 18:17

You're not wrong to continue enforcing the no driving the kids rule. You know that.

However your relationship sounds like one where you goad each other into arguments which is not healthy.

Werehalfwaythere · 08/09/2024 18:11

If you can't leave OP, that's ok, you know the situation best. Is there anyone in real life you can start opening up to safely? It may help you process but also acts as a back up if you ever find yourself needing help quickly.

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 18:04

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:44

I have mentioned before about trying to leave in the past and things got worse. I dont feel like it would be safe at this moment in time. He is a very difficult personality and after much research on NPD and ASPD and watching his behaviours over the past 2 years, there is almost all traits there. I dont really need the "leave him" comments, they are not helpful...
I want advice on what is best and appropriate for me as a mother in terms of the driving situation? I will discuss at the police station this week..

So when is it going to be safe?

You clearly can't do this alone, can't leave so you need help.

All the while your kids are living in a toxic home.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't want the relationship to end.

You are not putting your kids first.

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 18:01

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:58

I am doing my best to put my children first. You are not in my situation. I am speaking to police this week. If you have no advice to offer apart from telling me to "just leave" this man, then please could you stop commenting?

No. Just because my comments are not what you want to hear, does not alter the fact your children are being damaged. And I so.ebody needs to advocate for them because you are not putting them first.

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 17:59

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:54

I have tried to leave in the past. He refused to leave the house and was a nightmare to live with as this was not what he wanted. He controlled the situation and told me he will go for 50 50 custody. They will not be well looked after, as right now i do all of the emotional parenting and he basically sits about playing games 14 hours a day. its not a situation that will be safe for the kids.

He's controlling you, you just can't see it. Keep making excuses while your children are being irreparably damaged.

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:58

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 17:49

Tough that you don't want comments saying leave. You need to put your children first which you seem incapable of doing. That makes you complicit in the damage you are both causing to your children.

Edited

I am doing my best to put my children first. You are not in my situation. I am speaking to police this week. If you have no advice to offer apart from telling me to "just leave" this man, then please could you stop commenting?

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 08/09/2024 17:57

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:54

I have tried to leave in the past. He refused to leave the house and was a nightmare to live with as this was not what he wanted. He controlled the situation and told me he will go for 50 50 custody. They will not be well looked after, as right now i do all of the emotional parenting and he basically sits about playing games 14 hours a day. its not a situation that will be safe for the kids.

There is not a single chance that he will EVER have the kids 50/50. It will never happen. Men like your husband never have their kids half the time. He is only saying that to control you and scare you.

You have to stop making excuses as to why you're still with him, cooperate with the police, and protect yourself and your kids by getting away from him. Your kids need you to do the right thing, even if it's hard.

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:54

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 17:47

FGS end the marriage for your children's sake. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you believe your children's emotional wellbeing is not harmed by this behaviour. I was that child and the damage takes years and years to get over.

I have tried to leave in the past. He refused to leave the house and was a nightmare to live with as this was not what he wanted. He controlled the situation and told me he will go for 50 50 custody. They will not be well looked after, as right now i do all of the emotional parenting and he basically sits about playing games 14 hours a day. its not a situation that will be safe for the kids.

OP posts:
PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 17:49

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:44

I have mentioned before about trying to leave in the past and things got worse. I dont feel like it would be safe at this moment in time. He is a very difficult personality and after much research on NPD and ASPD and watching his behaviours over the past 2 years, there is almost all traits there. I dont really need the "leave him" comments, they are not helpful...
I want advice on what is best and appropriate for me as a mother in terms of the driving situation? I will discuss at the police station this week..

Tough that you don't want comments saying leave. You need to put your children first which you seem incapable of doing. That makes you complicit in the damage you are both causing to your children.

PrincessofWells · 08/09/2024 17:47

FGS end the marriage for your children's sake. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you believe your children's emotional wellbeing is not harmed by this behaviour. I was that child and the damage takes years and years to get over.

Evecob · 08/09/2024 17:44

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 17:33

You are wrong for continuing with this relationship

I have mentioned before about trying to leave in the past and things got worse. I dont feel like it would be safe at this moment in time. He is a very difficult personality and after much research on NPD and ASPD and watching his behaviours over the past 2 years, there is almost all traits there. I dont really need the "leave him" comments, they are not helpful...
I want advice on what is best and appropriate for me as a mother in terms of the driving situation? I will discuss at the police station this week..

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 08/09/2024 17:39

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 17:33

You are wrong for continuing with this relationship

This, 100%. What are you doing, op? Why on earth are you still anywhere near this man and why are you blowing off the police? Are you ever going to stop making allowances for this man?

BirthdayRainbow · 08/09/2024 17:33

You are wrong for continuing with this relationship