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DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:23

Vicious@ichundich and your username - eeuw.

No. I am stating fact.

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Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:26

@DingDongWitchDingDong

But Dingdong, some families live in tiny houses and make huge sacrifices to do this. they are absolutely at the end of their budget ( and no it wasn't financially irresponsible not to make room for any changes to income/costs). These people should be thanked and praised for their benevolence in saving the government hundreds of thousands.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:27

I get that. I do feel sorry for those children.

I wouldn't have started private school unless I knew I had the 150K to cover it.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:27

Also, school trips, activities etc.

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:28

@DingDongWitchDingDong

Sorry, text doesn't lend it's self to sarcasm much.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:29

I'd not want to offer a child all those benefits - RADA exams etc and then take it out in say Yr 9.

ichundich · 14/06/2024 10:30

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:17

Most people who have their children in private school are in the top income decile. This group here you have identified will make up for more than 95% of the PE students.
Yes, there will be some movement, but it won't be massive, see 1.
People on this level of income by and large live in the most in demand and most expensive areas, the aren't going to drive prices up by moving in, they already live there.
See 3, the impact of this will be minor.
Privately educated children make up such a small % of the population of school students that this isn't possible. As private schools take children from wide catchments, any impact of migration would be widely dispersed. Please don't pretend this is about care for poorer students that go to state school.

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@Aladdinzane I find it interesting how much you seem to know about the area I live in. Quite often independent schools are thriving in areas where the state sector is dire, e.g. Cambridgeshire, which has one of the lowest school budgets in the UK and a disproportionate number of schools that require improvement.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:31

So to summarise whoever wins the GE needs to prioritise education and to understand that parents in both state and private value their child's education.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:32

Offer improvement to both sectors - it's clearly a vote winner.

Iwantitidontwantit · 14/06/2024 10:33

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 13/06/2024 19:57

Or take in ironing.

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You beat me too it 😂

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:34

How much revenue do you anticipate making by ironing?

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:39

@ichundich

I find it interesting that every time one makes an accurate point regarding the majority of cases, people decide that they must dispute this with their own individual circumstances. I also find it interesting that whilst Cambridgeshire does have pockets of poverty ( both rural and urban) which add to the lower ratings issue, that it does also have a whole load of outstanding schools, including one of the countries largest and most successful state 6th form centres.

MyNameIsFine · 14/06/2024 10:39

SabrinaThwaite · 14/06/2024 10:16

But that’s not what you previously said, was it?

You'll care when doctors leave the country or quit their job. They're already pissed off at their pay and conditions, now you 'couldn't care less' that they have to pay thousands of pounds extra tax to get their children educated to a similar standard they needed to get into healthcare. At some point they're going to decide that they 'couldn't care less' about you.

Nothing there about wanting extra curriculars or wrap around care, was there?

But nice to point out the ‘very high academic aspirations’ of private school parents. It’s not unique to them BTW.

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Perhaps I didn't word it very well, then. I'm sorry about that. There are a lot of factors people are weighing up when deciding to go for private school. For little children that will be things like, the cost of a nanny (compared to prep school), the extra curricular, how much time they have themselves to devote to their child's educational development etc. etc. I didn't mean that children who go to state school can't become doctors, that would be a dreadful state of affairs!

ichundich · 14/06/2024 10:42

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:39

@ichundich

I find it interesting that every time one makes an accurate point regarding the majority of cases, people decide that they must dispute this with their own individual circumstances. I also find it interesting that whilst Cambridgeshire does have pockets of poverty ( both rural and urban) which add to the lower ratings issue, that it does also have a whole load of outstanding schools, including one of the countries largest and most successful state 6th form centres.

Yes, there are some outstanding schools. As you can imagine they are very oversubscribed and of no use to anybody outside their catchment. There are also some of the worst schools, e.g. The Ivo and Longsands.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:42

If I wanted a private education. I'd really want to be absolutely sure I could cover to the end of Year 13. Children deserve stability.

Barefootsally · 14/06/2024 10:45

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:42

If I wanted a private education. I'd really want to be absolutely sure I could cover to the end of Year 13. Children deserve stability.

I don’t think people had any idea the VAT would be added. We generally factor on 4% to fees each year.

Livelovebehappy · 14/06/2024 10:45

Willyoujustbequiet · 14/06/2024 09:28

I recognise my privilege in living in an area with outstanding state schools on the doorstep, not just one btw, they all are.

But please don't imply that I don't care or am not aware of areas that aren't so lucky as I said nothing of the sort.

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Maybe you're lucky enough to live in a nice area, presumably chosen for the school performance in that area being outstanding, as is usual for the better off amongst us, as they have that option. Out of interest, if the schools weren't outstanding, would you have paid for your children to go private? Or would they have had to suck it up in a poor performing school?

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:45

What do you mean economically less attractive PP?

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:46

I suppose 4 per cent to 25 per cent is a huge leap.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:47

My childs school isn't outstanding - it's good acc to OFSTED.

SabrinaThwaite · 14/06/2024 10:49

MyNameIsFine · 14/06/2024 10:39

Perhaps I didn't word it very well, then. I'm sorry about that. There are a lot of factors people are weighing up when deciding to go for private school. For little children that will be things like, the cost of a nanny (compared to prep school), the extra curricular, how much time they have themselves to devote to their child's educational development etc. etc. I didn't mean that children who go to state school can't become doctors, that would be a dreadful state of affairs!

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That's fair enough - if only you'd said that in the first place though!

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 10:54

" As you can imagine they are very oversubscribed and of no use to anybody outside their catchment."

And those people who can afford on average 18k a year, per child, for secondary education are likely to be able to afford to live in what catchments?

Even for 1 child this means you'd be able to pay 108k ( assuming a year 8 start) in 7 years. Are people who can do this really living in the most deprived areas of the county?

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 10:59

Naice catchments?

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 11:01

At 108K probably not choosing between heating and eating I'd wager.

DingDongWitchDingDong · 14/06/2024 11:02

I know someone who pays 42K (inc boarding) and rents in a naice area.