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To think if you can no longer afford school fees...

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TiredMumE · 13/06/2024 19:54

that is tough.

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SomewhereInTheMIdlands · 13/06/2024 23:36

Biskitin · 13/06/2024 23:07

This won’t impact the elite, it’ll just worsen the opportunities for social mobility and widen the gap between rich and poor.

Most intelligent people recognise that.

I honestly think all hope is gone for this country. It’s time for the people who can to get out now.

Nope, those who are pushed out of private schools on account of having to pay 20% more will still be at the top of the public education system. The money not spent on schools can be put into tutors, extra curricular activities and other life encouraging activities. The UK is becoming a poorer society because the poorest have already lost their social mobility, not the better off middle classes. We had friends who instead of sending their daughter to private school which they could just about afford, they engaged her with music tuition, horse riding, girl guides and many other things that enhance a childs future.

Lolabear38 · 13/06/2024 23:39

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

But as you say yourself, state schools in your area are very good. Not everyone can say that, and perhaps some of those people are the ones who choose private schools. A real case of ‘I’m alright, Jack!’ there, nice…

cheekycheekshiyah · 13/06/2024 23:41

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

Unfortunately in our area the best state schools are in very very expensive areas and I imagine that is only going up from here.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 13/06/2024 23:43

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

Key words : “where i live” @BIWI

viques · 13/06/2024 23:45

Teentaxidriver · 13/06/2024 20:04

Yes, cry me a river. We’ll be saving £30k a year and the money will go on foreign holidays, saving for university costs/ future housing for the DC, tutoring, cultural enrichment, riding lessons, tennis lessons, music lessons, etc. DS moving to a leafy state grammar from his leafy prep. Best bit - you lot fund it.

We were funding it anyway. Oh, and when he was in his leafy prep, you were funding state primaries. So thanks for that. XX

Notthatcatagain · 13/06/2024 23:46

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

Then you should count your blessings. When I told my children's state primary that I was moving them to an independant school, 2 of the teachers told me that they would do the same if they had kids and that most days all that they actually did was crowd control. It was an awful place

cheekycheekshiyah · 13/06/2024 23:50

Aladdinzane · 13/06/2024 20:54

@Chickenuggetsticks

"There will be kids who will abruptly be taken out of schools they are happy in. Their larents panicking trying to find them a school place for September."

This most likely won't be in force by September.

"There is something about the left that is quick to be quite unkind and inhumane towards people they don’t approve of."

Oh my, the irony of this is outstanding.

Oh yay- @Aladdinzane is back in one of these threads defending the policy with the aggression of an mma fighter. Well done you

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:51

I mean, come on, who would send their child to a state school if they could afford not to? Generally, the majority are full of feral kids who haven’t been parented properly, and visit the result of lazy parenting on others around them. Wouldn’t we all give our kids the best start in life we could if we could afford it? And if you say you wouldn’t, because of your ‘principles’, then shame on you…. Disclaimer - mine went to state school, and despite the school being the pits, turned out okay. But many don’t.

juggleit · 13/06/2024 23:52

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

Thats great news - where do you live so we can all Move into your area? Just aswell you have a
Good school for your kids as you sound, quite frankly, a bit dim with that comment!

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:55

BIWI · 13/06/2024 19:57

State schools where I live are actually very, very good. So I have no sympathy with any parent who thinks that their child is going to suffer from having to go to one.

(SEN provision is obviously a different kettle of fish)

The irony being that these ‘very good’ state schools are usually good because they’re populated by pupils whose parents have cottoned on how good they are and buy up the houses in the catchment area, or lie about where they live, to get places there.

SabrinaThwaite · 13/06/2024 23:56

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:51

I mean, come on, who would send their child to a state school if they could afford not to? Generally, the majority are full of feral kids who haven’t been parented properly, and visit the result of lazy parenting on others around them. Wouldn’t we all give our kids the best start in life we could if we could afford it? And if you say you wouldn’t, because of your ‘principles’, then shame on you…. Disclaimer - mine went to state school, and despite the school being the pits, turned out okay. But many don’t.

Me.

HTH.

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/06/2024 23:59

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:51

I mean, come on, who would send their child to a state school if they could afford not to? Generally, the majority are full of feral kids who haven’t been parented properly, and visit the result of lazy parenting on others around them. Wouldn’t we all give our kids the best start in life we could if we could afford it? And if you say you wouldn’t, because of your ‘principles’, then shame on you…. Disclaimer - mine went to state school, and despite the school being the pits, turned out okay. But many don’t.

This post is so ignorant.

I could afford to but don't. There is no need because our school is better than the private.

Feral kids? Lol

Troubledprimarymum · 14/06/2024 00:00

I can't understand the bitterness on this thread. How does it affect you if other people choose to prioritise and pay for education instead of big cars and holidays?

You're applauding the additional costs on fee paying schools but it will be added on to uni and college fees too and will you still be smirking and gleeful then?

Willyoujustbequiet · 14/06/2024 00:01

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:55

The irony being that these ‘very good’ state schools are usually good because they’re populated by pupils whose parents have cottoned on how good they are and buy up the houses in the catchment area, or lie about where they live, to get places there.

We have an outstanding state school and catchment has no effect as it's not the priority criteria. I know we aren't the only ones.

Apolloneuro · 14/06/2024 00:02

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/06/2024 21:16

I can't speak for other areas but all the schools (outstanding) in my area have spare places.

According to the gov.uk site, only 27% of state secondary schools are at capacity.

Willyoujustbequiet · 14/06/2024 00:03

Apolloneuro · 14/06/2024 00:02

According to the gov.uk site, only 27% of state secondary schools are at capacity.

Thank you.

Kinda blows a hole in that argument then!

Dibblydoodahdah · 14/06/2024 00:05

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/06/2024 22:06

how about that nobody else anywhere charges VAT on education?
Everything I have read states that “most” countries do not tax private school fees, which means some do. For example, Greece charges 23% VAT on private school fees.

people always conveniently forget that the vast majority of people paying for school fees are already contributing far, far more in tax to the treasury than the people going on about unfair "tax breaks."

As a % of their income, poorer people pay more overall tax than richer people. This is because poorer people have to spend all their money on essentials that include VAT, whereas the better off, the top 7% that can afford private school fees have so much disposable cash that they hoard it into tax shelters and get higher tax relief on pensions.

Greece did impose 23% VAT on school fees but it resulted in many of the things people are warning will happen if VAT is introduced here so they reversed it. Greece is really not the argument for VAT that you think it is.

juggleit · 14/06/2024 00:06

Livelovebehappy · 13/06/2024 23:55

The irony being that these ‘very good’ state schools are usually good because they’re populated by pupils whose parents have cottoned on how good they are and buy up the houses in the catchment area, or lie about where they live, to get places there.

Indeed - as did Keir Starmer. There is not a chance in hell
He would of moved to a catchment with a failing school

Add in all the extra tutoring to bring the kids up to scratch which distorts the real picture.

I am sick to back teeth with these
Politicians! They really actually are part of one huge sharade! 😡

Apolloneuro · 14/06/2024 00:09

I’m wrong. It’s 23%

To think if you can no longer afford school fees...
dottiedodah · 14/06/2024 00:15

I think there is a whiff of ha ha serves u right to these kinds of posts tbh
.if everyone at private suddenly went to the state .just more pressure on places.lots of people for many reasons make a sacrifice to send dc fee paying. Keir and his ilk are full of hot air .Will be worth seeing what happens when they are elected!

MyNameIsFine · 14/06/2024 00:22

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 20:04

@EatTheGnome has it all cured to you that other stuff may have had a financial impact and this is the final straw?

The amount of people gleeful at children losing their school places is awful.

Why are people so angry that some privately educate their children?

It's a combination of cost of living, wage stagnation, fees going up above inflation (to pay for the increase in teachers' pension contributions, but Labour won't tell you that bit), and now the prospect of a very hefty tax. People made the choice before the pandemic and couldn't have foreseen all of that. There's also the issue that many people HAVE planned for a change in their circumstances, and now they're going to have to spend all of that, and will be in trouble if their circumstances change.

Batyhatty · 14/06/2024 00:24

Im not familiar with this educational system but why would anyone be rubbing their hands with glee over this increase. is this not just another way of ensuring that only the exceedingly rich (1%) will be able to access superior educational opportunity while the rest of us chavs are put firmly in our place.

HappyCompromise · 14/06/2024 00:24

Wow horrendous goading here.

My partner said earlier hes gone full circle and might vote Tory. I looked at him with a raised eyebrow. Apparently he’s thinking he doesn’t want them to have a strong majority. Reading this thread I am thinking I might join him tbh. Because this is clearly a class war. Nothing to do with maths teachers.

MyNameIsFine · 14/06/2024 00:26

viques · 13/06/2024 23:45

We were funding it anyway. Oh, and when he was in his leafy prep, you were funding state primaries. So thanks for that. XX

I'm guessing Teentaxidriver has probably noticed before that she pays taxes!

Willyoujustbequiet · 14/06/2024 00:27

juggleit · 13/06/2024 23:52

Thats great news - where do you live so we can all Move into your area? Just aswell you have a
Good school for your kids as you sound, quite frankly, a bit dim with that comment!

That comment doesn't sound dim at all. It's simply the truth surely.

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