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runningaway90 · 21/02/2024 09:36

Longwinded but hoping someone will read.. Just looking for advice as feeling a lot of financial stress at the moment and not sure how to handle the situation. Myself and DP bought an older house a few years ago and it ended up needing significantly more work than expected. DP has a large deposit partly from family gift and sale of previous home (his home and I paid 50% of mortgage for half the time he lived there). I had much lower deposit (about 20% of his) so was wiped out buying this house as contributed all of my savings/equity. I mentioned adjusting ownership % at the time to allow me to keep £5/10k back but he was not happy with this as he was already putting down much larger deposit.

When we moved in, we spent about £45k on various repairs within 6 months (boiler, kitchen, doors). I’ve been trying to save as much as possible to pay off everything we have done so far but still have around £5k to pay off my share on CC etc. He is constantly making digs that I need to save more anytime I rarely go out with a friend etc but I’m trying to save between £500-700 a month.

On top of this, I pay 2/3 mortgage payments to balance out his deposit which is further restricting my ability to save. There are still repairs urgently needing done ie. roof needs replaced. He is getting a lump sum inheritance and will upfront the roof but expects me to pay him back as soon as I can (before the above mentioned debt).

I feel like I am drowning in a never ending cycle of repairs on this house. I really want things to be fair but I feel like I can’t keep up and every month there is another thing he comes to me with that must get done. On top of it, he was the big driver to move here, I was much happier in previous new build we had bought but agreed to move as he was so unhappy there. I’d honestly rather downsize to take the pressure off and have my life back but there is no way he would move again and certainly not somewhere with lots of neighbours.

Am I being unreasonable to feel his expectations here are unfair? What can I do in this situation? I know I am an adult and got myself into this situation but struggling to figure out what to do and the pressure is making me so stressed.

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runningaway90 · 07/05/2024 23:01

Sorry for the slow reply, thanks for checking in with me. I've been busy with work and hopefully finding out about that promotion this week so that's been the main thing occupying my brain. I also booked a holiday so some positive things coming up. Not much else to update on really. Don't want to give loads of details as I am conscious of outing myself IRL. Haven't done anything relationship wise but all my plans for the next 2 months don't involve him so feel I am steadily distancing myself. Keeping up therapy every week too which has been a massive help. Hope you guys are doing well and enjoyed the long weekend here in the UK.

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ZebraD · 06/05/2024 22:37

How is it going?

Codlingmoths · 01/05/2024 14:56

Op, you will only get max 50% of the house. So if you don’t feel comfortable before telling him you’re leaving, the minute you do tell him you need to change your mortgage contribution to 50%, and in writing tell him that 1. He needs to up his contribution to 50%, and 2. You have x contributed extra to the mortgage eg you have paid £100 extra for 12 months, so you will be including 1200 in your ringfenced share before a split of the equity. You know he would sooner be burnt alive at the stake than relinquish a penny of his deposit so you need to put your claim for what’s fair equally strongly. And lowering your contribution gives you that cash towards costs and a rental.

KTheGrey · 01/05/2024 14:34

Hope you are doing well, OP, and planning something nice for the long weekend.

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 21:35

@Abitofalark ha thank you I did enjoy this! Particularly this bit:

But even more annoying than a husband who doesn’t do his share domestically is one who then demands that his wife take on half the financial burdens. I suggest that you send your parsimonious spouse a receipt each month for all the extra work you’ve undertaken....

I'll try to feel a bit less guilty when it comes to extracting my fair share out of this house!

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Nodancingshoes · 24/04/2024 21:30

This sounds very confusing. When me and DH bought our first house, I put down the deposit. We got a Declaration of trust that protects my 30%. After this, everything is equally ours, however much we are both paying. I would get some legal and financial advise ASAP.

Abitofalark · 24/04/2024 21:22

OP, I hope you enjoy this article from The Sunday Times:
‘My husband earns more than me — but insists we split holiday costs’
This week Kathy Lette tackles a parsimonious partner...

She doesn't mince her words; she's an outspoken Australian and wit:
Does this ring a bell?

Q. My husband earns about £70,000 a year, three times as much as I do, yet insists that we go 50-50 to pay for our annual family holiday with our two kids, aged six and nine. We usually go camping in the south of France and it’s just about affordable, but I’m now at my wits’ end because he is suggesting we skip that this summer so I can ‘“save up” for a trip to Disney World in Florida next year. I’m desperate for a break this year and I don’t think I will ever be able to afford half the cost of a Disney trip — about £6,000 for my share. What should I do?

    • Her reply is delicious: [In part]: "A. It’s time to tell your resident Scrooge a few home truths. Your husband is keen on splitting holiday costs, but I doubt that he’s splitting the domestic load. The enlistment of labour on a subsistence basis is forbidden in civilised countries, except in one state — the holy state of matrimony.

It’s also time to point out to your spouse that a woman’s work is never done … not by men, anyway. ...

But even more annoying than a husband who doesn’t do his share domestically is one who then demands that his wife take on half the financial burdens. I suggest that you send your parsimonious spouse a receipt each month for all the extra work you’ve undertaken. ...

Your partner’s attitude is not just mean-spirited, but also disrespectful. Husbands-to-be should be made to sign emotional prenups, because it’s love that a woman is really banking on … and it’s time that your stingy spouse made a deposit, with interest! " ...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/travel/advice/kathy-lette-husband-earns-three-times-more-than-me-but-insists-on-splitting-holiday-costs-pnkl5whwd

KTheGrey · 24/04/2024 19:16

everythingthelighttouches · 24/04/2024 06:56

But if you leave you only need to pay half the mortgage right?

What does your solicitor say?

You’ve been overpaying your contribution on the mortgage for a while now.

You’d still be entitled to half the house.

Could you afford to pay for the flat and half the mortgage (rather than the two thirds you’ve been paying?)

I know very little about breaking up living together relationships, but if you leave, doesn't he have to buy you out or sell up? How are you actually supposed to negotiate separating money when your money is pooled? Do you get a solicitor to prepare an audit trail and put together kind of a reasonable offer document?

I remember you were going to get the house valued. Is that the next step?

I do hope you have a separate bank account and are stashing some cash in there.

HarrietStyles · 24/04/2024 19:11

Most landlords will allow pets these days and can’t “unreasonably” refuse a request to have a pet at a property. Speak to some local letting agents and you might be surprised at your options.

aridiculousargument · 24/04/2024 17:17

@runningaway90
OP, look for “built to rent” landlords - they allow pets and the size of the dog won’t matter. I live in one of these (I have a cat) and you should see the size of some of the dogs my neighbours have.

if you’re in London, DM me and I can give you more details with specific areas where these BtR developments exist.

some of the landlords you can look up:

Folio - I’m with them, they’ve been really good to us. They have developments in London areas and Colchester, I think.

L&Q private renting

Get Living

Fizzy

google “pet friendly rentals” or similar as there are others, I can’t remember their names.

also, you can filter for “pets allowed” on Zoopla and Open Rent.

therealcookiemonster · 24/04/2024 15:30

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 14:44

Thanks all, I know I haven't responded directly to many of the recent responses but I do really appreciate them and they are all helping me to get my head back on track and work out practicalities.

@therealcookiemonster thank you and I actually very much appreciate your bluntly worded advice as I think that's what is needed now when I doubt myself as if I keep pushing it down the line and wait for some miraculous moment that I am ready or he crosses my line(for the millionth time) then I'll still be sat here moaning in 10 years time.

Ultimately it has taken this thread to realise he is controlling but if I think back I have known in my gut that things haven't been right for years and could list countless examples of pretty terrible things he has done that I have put up with. So enough is enough, I need some tough words I think as I will really have no-one to blame if I stay much longer knowing what I do now.

no doubt once you leave him and look back it will become clearer and clearer how awful he is.

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 14:44

Thanks all, I know I haven't responded directly to many of the recent responses but I do really appreciate them and they are all helping me to get my head back on track and work out practicalities.

@therealcookiemonster thank you and I actually very much appreciate your bluntly worded advice as I think that's what is needed now when I doubt myself as if I keep pushing it down the line and wait for some miraculous moment that I am ready or he crosses my line(for the millionth time) then I'll still be sat here moaning in 10 years time.

Ultimately it has taken this thread to realise he is controlling but if I think back I have known in my gut that things haven't been right for years and could list countless examples of pretty terrible things he has done that I have put up with. So enough is enough, I need some tough words I think as I will really have no-one to blame if I stay much longer knowing what I do now.

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therealcookiemonster · 24/04/2024 12:56

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 08:39

@Mookie81 thanks for the judgement.

OP the vast majority of us are NOT judging you. I know I gave you some pretty bluntly worded advice but I believe in you. you can 100% do it.

therealcookiemonster · 24/04/2024 12:55

Mookie81 · 24/04/2024 07:07

She's not leaving.
She's probably still doing all his washing and cooking as well.

I don't think comments like this are helpful in any way. we are trying to support the OP in this thread.

Moosegooseontheloose · 24/04/2024 11:04

Just a thought as well, that there are animal rescues who may arrange fostering for the dog until you’re more sorted. Just ask around.

Moosegooseontheloose · 24/04/2024 11:02

Mookie81 · 24/04/2024 07:07

She's not leaving.
She's probably still doing all his washing and cooking as well.

Just ignore the judgers, OP.
Obviously never experienced abuse and can’t comprehend how it affects a person.

A good plan is as you’ve said, concentrate on the new job interview for now.
Try to stay strong against his psychological tactics and as it’s important to you, focus on escaping with the dog when the time comes.

Do your research for what rentals are available that will take a large dog.
What kennels are in the area , their fees and maybe contact them and explain your situation.

When you do end it with him, things will probably be worse if you stay living with him. So be prepared for that and don’t mention you want the dog because he will use that against you and he will use it to keep you there.

Ideally, when you end it, you should have a little plan B already organised and be ready to go.

A little secret plan in your head is what you need and it sounds like you’re already working on it.

aridiculousargument · 24/04/2024 09:31

@runningaway90 OP you are strong and capable and you have seen him for who he really is. It’s difficult leaving abusive relationships- it took me far longer to leave than it should* have, when I was in one. You’re dealing with a lot of information and this is a high stakes situation. Of course you’re not just going to up and leave.

the future will be much brighter.

*editing to say that I’ve just realised how I spoke to myself there…..

Whatdoesthatbuttondo · 24/04/2024 09:19

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 08:39

@Mookie81 thanks for the judgement.

Ignore anyone judging you. It took me more years than it should have done to leave someone who was financially, emotionally and occasionally physically abusive. Get your ducks in a row first and do it when you can. A three week deadline sounds good with the other stuff going on.

Positive story though: I’m now years in to a relationship with a wonderful man and I’m so, so happy. That’s out there waiting for you too.

runningaway90 · 24/04/2024 08:39

@Mookie81 thanks for the judgement.

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Mookie81 · 24/04/2024 07:07

therealcookiemonster · 22/04/2024 17:31

@runningaway90 can I be honest with you OP? the longer you leave it, the harder it will be. you just need to pull the plug. I kind of feel you have already left it longer than you should.

I appreciate its hard, I really do. but this man is slowly eroding your self confidence and self worth. the financial entanglements will only get more convoluted... you just need to brace yourself and take that step

no judgement at all by the way. I understand it is not easy

She's not leaving.
She's probably still doing all his washing and cooking as well.

everythingthelighttouches · 24/04/2024 06:56

But if you leave you only need to pay half the mortgage right?

What does your solicitor say?

You’ve been overpaying your contribution on the mortgage for a while now.

You’d still be entitled to half the house.

Could you afford to pay for the flat and half the mortgage (rather than the two thirds you’ve been paying?)

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/04/2024 23:18

You didn't / haven't asked anywhere in your whole thread, and you probably would not have accepted if I had been able to offer ( perfect stranger on internet having your dog, not knowing me from adam - sort of thing :)

please don't feel undeserved, to me it's all part of ' hand holding ' and you deserve it as much as anyone else in your situation.

runningaway90 · 23/04/2024 22:52

@OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon Oh no I'd never ask that but appreciate the thought so much, the lengths you are willing to go to help a stranger. Feels so undeserved but very much appreciate it 💐

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/04/2024 22:48

aw I am sorry about the size of dog, if she had been Pug size etc. I could have offered to help until you were sorted, however I already have 4 dogs and the back seat in my car is pretty full.

runningaway90 · 23/04/2024 22:05

@OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon large breed hence the problem with taking her with me as she is quite overbearing (still young) and seems like most rentals won't take a big dog.

I appreciate all the responses, I really do. I feel a bit overwhelmed but I am definitely going to do it. I'd love to have a rental in place but I just don't think I can afford it as most places would be at least £1k a month with bills (and then whether they'll take the dog or not is another issue) so I don't think I could manage with still paying this mortgage.

I really think I need to stick out staying here a little while and just being strong until I can financially be free and also have a good chance of taking the dog. If I left asap and was still paying, I'd have to leave her. I know there are other options but I feel that once I actually tell him it's over, I'll stick to my guns. And I can spend my weekends at friends etc rather than fully moving out. I'm sure there could be better ways to do it but thats what feels the most manageable for me. Thanks again as these responses are helping me realise I can really do this. I have a deadline in my head of 3 weeks time as I have a job interview for promotion and don't want to hinder that by being (more) unstable from this situation (hopefully not completed outed myself to anyone IRL!).

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