Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Does this sound financially fair?

883 replies

runningaway90 · 21/02/2024 09:36

Longwinded but hoping someone will read.. Just looking for advice as feeling a lot of financial stress at the moment and not sure how to handle the situation. Myself and DP bought an older house a few years ago and it ended up needing significantly more work than expected. DP has a large deposit partly from family gift and sale of previous home (his home and I paid 50% of mortgage for half the time he lived there). I had much lower deposit (about 20% of his) so was wiped out buying this house as contributed all of my savings/equity. I mentioned adjusting ownership % at the time to allow me to keep £5/10k back but he was not happy with this as he was already putting down much larger deposit.

When we moved in, we spent about £45k on various repairs within 6 months (boiler, kitchen, doors). I’ve been trying to save as much as possible to pay off everything we have done so far but still have around £5k to pay off my share on CC etc. He is constantly making digs that I need to save more anytime I rarely go out with a friend etc but I’m trying to save between £500-700 a month.

On top of this, I pay 2/3 mortgage payments to balance out his deposit which is further restricting my ability to save. There are still repairs urgently needing done ie. roof needs replaced. He is getting a lump sum inheritance and will upfront the roof but expects me to pay him back as soon as I can (before the above mentioned debt).

I feel like I am drowning in a never ending cycle of repairs on this house. I really want things to be fair but I feel like I can’t keep up and every month there is another thing he comes to me with that must get done. On top of it, he was the big driver to move here, I was much happier in previous new build we had bought but agreed to move as he was so unhappy there. I’d honestly rather downsize to take the pressure off and have my life back but there is no way he would move again and certainly not somewhere with lots of neighbours.

Am I being unreasonable to feel his expectations here are unfair? What can I do in this situation? I know I am an adult and got myself into this situation but struggling to figure out what to do and the pressure is making me so stressed.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 13/10/2024 18:20

That's such a positive update. It's far better to get yourself in a calm place to make such a big decision.

runningaway90 · 13/10/2024 18:14

Hi all, sorry I haven't been back to update. Have been working on my mental health and had a few personal issues that threw me. I have realised I've had very bad anxiety and catastrophizing a lot so I have been working on this with my counsellor and feeling much better. I haven't wanted to make a decision until I was feeling mentally stronger and don't feel I can uproot my life for a few more weeks due to the other circumstances going on. However my days have been a lot easier and I'm feeling so much clearer and able to see all of his behaviour in a more subjective way. I have taken the pressure off myself so I can make a clearer decision but honestly I am still feeling I want to end things which I know is good and I'm glad that I will do it with a clear head rather in fight or flight mode. I know it's not much of an update really but have felt a huge mental shift. Hope everyone is doing good x

OP posts:
Apparentlystillchilled · 16/09/2024 08:19

Sending you a big hug @runningaway90

aridiculousargument · 11/09/2024 11:55

CovertPiggery · 10/09/2024 09:12

Similar situation for me too.

I hope you're doing OK OP.

There really is light at the end of the tunnel and the relief you feel once you're away really is worth it.

Same for me

Moosegooseontheloose · 11/09/2024 11:55

ZebraD · 11/09/2024 11:00

This is a relationship not a financial agreement…just a reminder.

Yes,very much this too !! He’s fighting for his own financial security at your expense.

Without you funding him he couldn’t afford to live there. He wants you to sign on the dotted line.
Is this your romantic partner OP ?

Abitofalark · 11/09/2024 11:28

I've just spotted this which is on today at 12 noon, on Radio 4 consumer programme with phone in:

"On today's You and Yours, a report out today into the impact of financial abuse for women who hold joint mortgages, finds one in eight women are impacted in some way. We hear from one woman about her experience plus Sam Smethers from the charity Surviving Economic Abuse tells us why they're calling for a change in the law. "

May be of interest.

ZebraD · 11/09/2024 11:00

This is a relationship not a financial agreement…just a reminder.

Moosegooseontheloose · 11/09/2024 10:58

runningaway90 · 10/09/2024 14:35

He's not put anything down concrete as I keep avoiding actually sitting down and doing it - I've got a list of what I've paid and I do obviously want to protect that but I just think he's going to fuck me over. As you say, protecting his deposit and trying to commit me to paying the extra mortgage indefinitely. I do realise when we have these discussions that things aren't right btw just very difficult to stand up for myself and get convinced that I'm being a free loader

He can’t fuck you over if you just refuse to sign anything.
You need a lawyer to ensure anything you sign is fair.

Zanatdy · 11/09/2024 06:30

Take it from me. People like him never change so the question is do you want to continue in this business style relationship forever? You can do much better and have family support, you’re in a good position to leave

Moosegooseontheloose · 10/09/2024 23:32

RandomMess · 10/09/2024 14:51

At the moment his is panicking because he knows you legally own half the house and you are both equally liable for the mortgage. This is your leverage.

Absolutely NO sitting down together to discuss finances when he can bamboozle, confuse and bully you. He writes down the FACTS and figures of what he put in, what he has paid since and to whom. The same for you. Then the mortgage I refer as a shared equal costs, then what each have you contributed to the mortgage payments.

He will do anything to stop this being done fairly.

He wanted that house, without you he couldn't have purchased it.

Shut down any "you have benefited from me xyz" with "you wanted this house and only have it because of me and my contribution for the last X years" all that money you subsidised with him before too.

Agree with this.
Do not sit down with him to discuss it. He will pressurise and manipulate you and grind you down til you cave in and sign something which favours him.

Get advice from a lawyer before you sign anything.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 10/09/2024 15:53

I thought you had already spoken to a solicitor quite some time ago ?

I think there are some questions you need to ask yourself, and answer yourself honestly.

  1. do you love him
  2. do you see yourself being with him in a loving relationship in 5 / 10 / 25 / 50 years time
  3. do you want to marry him
  4. do you want to have children with him
  5. do you want to live in this property
  6. do you want to continue paying a higher % of the mortgage
  7. does he love you
  8. do you think or believe he sees himself being with you in a loving relationship in 5/10/20/50 years time
  9. do you believe he will propose one day
  10. do you think he wants to have children with you
  11. will he ever accept you paying a different % of the mortgage
  12. if you were on maternity leave, what % of the mortgage would he expect you to pay...
  13. would he expect or want you to return to full time work if you were the mother of his children
  14. what % of the nursery fees would he pay...
ZebraD · 10/09/2024 15:39

If you are in a committed relationship that is going to last, you do t need all of this. This is most definitely the exit. Because it should have been sorted at the beginning of it were any kind of issue. It’s an issue now because he knows it is over and that it is just a matter of time.
if the roof can wait a year…can it wait forever? What is the urgency?! It’s on him if he wants it done. From here on in 50/50 and the extra you were paying goes into a savings account for your exit - get your ducks in a row! x

Abitofalark · 10/09/2024 14:57

I can't remember whether you both own the house as joint tenants with a joint mortgage - both names on the mortgage deed. The legalities of this can be a bit more complicated than first appears or what you might think he's talking about. I'm wondering if this document he has in mind is a deed of trust, which would reflect both your contributions and would protect what you have already contributed.

Here's a Which? article explaining about joint or tenants in common and what the deed of trust is:

"What is a deed of trust?
A deed of trust is a legal document that's also known as a 'declaration of trust'.
It can include details such as how much money each joint owner paid towards the property deposit, and what should happen to their money if:

  • the relationship breaks down;
  • one person is unable to pay their share of the mortgage; or
  • you want to sell the property.
It can be a useful document to have in place if you're buying a property with other people and want to protect your financial contributions."

www.which.co.uk/money/mortgages-and-property/first-time-buyers/buying-a-home/joint-tenants-vs-tenants-in-common-aDZA73M2m9D8

RandomMess · 10/09/2024 14:51

At the moment his is panicking because he knows you legally own half the house and you are both equally liable for the mortgage. This is your leverage.

Absolutely NO sitting down together to discuss finances when he can bamboozle, confuse and bully you. He writes down the FACTS and figures of what he put in, what he has paid since and to whom. The same for you. Then the mortgage I refer as a shared equal costs, then what each have you contributed to the mortgage payments.

He will do anything to stop this being done fairly.

He wanted that house, without you he couldn't have purchased it.

Shut down any "you have benefited from me xyz" with "you wanted this house and only have it because of me and my contribution for the last X years" all that money you subsidised with him before too.

Gcsunnyside23 · 10/09/2024 14:47

Get all your contributions together now and have it prepared, do the same got what you can of his also as he's hoping to browbeat you into agreeing by talking you in circles. If he ringfences his deposit and you continue to pay the higher amount you're also committing to the interest. Hes getting ducks in a row and will likely pull the rug as soon as you sign. If the mortgage is split fairly then you'd be able to save for a year towards the roof would you not? How is that an excuse for you to pay higher forever? Don't let him use stuff like this. If anything I'd be hearing alarm bells that he's preparing for a split and wants to shaft you. If anything I'd say no and split now and get what you're owed

RandomMess · 10/09/2024 14:45

Don't sit down together.

Tell him to email you his list over and you'll write down yours and send it back. So when he says he paid £5k for x you can include the £2.5k you paid him directly back for that and so on.

You can't do it with him breathing down your neck. You never "mediate" with your abuser.

Catza · 10/09/2024 14:40

runningaway90 · 10/09/2024 14:35

He's not put anything down concrete as I keep avoiding actually sitting down and doing it - I've got a list of what I've paid and I do obviously want to protect that but I just think he's going to fuck me over. As you say, protecting his deposit and trying to commit me to paying the extra mortgage indefinitely. I do realise when we have these discussions that things aren't right btw just very difficult to stand up for myself and get convinced that I'm being a free loader

Not if you already have the list of things you paid. You are going to have to sit down and look at numbers together. This is a good thing as there is no hiding from the facts. Sitting down and having all the calculations is not committing you in any legal sense. It is just getting the lay of the land on paper. From then on, you both need to hire solicitors who can draw an agreement which is fair to both parties.
Avoiding this conversation only prolongs status quo, unfortunately. I would also change your direct debit to only reflect 50% of the outgoings until the matter is resolved. He can't legally force you to pay any more than this. He can't even legally to force you to pay any of it.

Abitofalark · 10/09/2024 14:38

You are right to refuse to sign on his terms. Insist on your own interests being reflected in it. He is determined to protect his favoured position, which isn't being fair to you. You would probably need to have a solicitor advising you on this and steering you on how to negotiate it, or alternatively, doing the negotiation.

runningaway90 · 10/09/2024 14:35

RandomMess · 10/09/2024 14:01

Well he can fuck off then.

Have you seen all of this in writing from him and is it correct?

You need everything written down and triple check it's correct. Including the interest charges and mortgage payments.

That gives you the basis for how much he pays you to buy you out. He's helping get your ducks in a row.

He is now saying that his money is ringfenced AND you have to pay 2/3 mortgage forever. Absolute piss poor joke.

He's not put anything down concrete as I keep avoiding actually sitting down and doing it - I've got a list of what I've paid and I do obviously want to protect that but I just think he's going to fuck me over. As you say, protecting his deposit and trying to commit me to paying the extra mortgage indefinitely. I do realise when we have these discussions that things aren't right btw just very difficult to stand up for myself and get convinced that I'm being a free loader

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · 10/09/2024 14:32

Please don't beat yourself up op. You probably didn't feel relief bc it isn't resolved yet. A document could protect you both but obviously it need to be fair to both parties and you should talk to a lawyer. It sounds like both of you might be house poor.

Catza · 10/09/2024 14:32

runningaway90 · 10/09/2024 13:42

Thanks for all the replies and appreciate how non judgmental they've been as I have been feeling so embarrassed about it all and angry with myself but I know that he does have a hold over me and it's very complex.
He wants to write up both of our financial contributions which I agree with but he also wants to include the 2/3 mortgage I've been paying for years. So my main sticking point is that it feels like I'd be committing to paying that percentage for good which worries me. I've been trying to get his to readjust things to be fairer but he says he can't afford to pay more monthly especially when he is paying all of the roof so I'm putting off committing to signing anything unless he agrees to change the split going forward as don't want to be held to paying more.

It's a bit unclear. You say he wants to include the 2/3 you have been paying so it sounds to me as though this will be included to calculate your respective shares to date rather than you agreeing to pay the same amount going forward. Meaning that your share of the house should have grown accordingly and will be legally ringfenced going forward.
If he can't afford to pay half of the mortgage then he will need to sell the house he cannot afford to keep.
Please tell me you spoke to a solicitor about all of this. You don't have to leave or do anything but you do need some legal council.

CovertPiggery · 10/09/2024 14:08

Definitely a good idea not to sign anything.

I also wonder if he's using a similar tactic my ex used which is to steer away from the real issue (wanting to end the relationship) by bogging me down in conversations about other things that need a lot of thought like finances, division of chores, repairs etc. I'd then be tied up trying to fight my corner to try and find a fair resolution for whatever the issue was that I forgot about the real issue which was that the relationship made me unhappy.

I'm not sure if I've explained that well or if it makes any sense. I didn't realise it was happening at the time and it's only looking back that I can see it.

RandomMess · 10/09/2024 14:01

Well he can fuck off then.

Have you seen all of this in writing from him and is it correct?

You need everything written down and triple check it's correct. Including the interest charges and mortgage payments.

That gives you the basis for how much he pays you to buy you out. He's helping get your ducks in a row.

He is now saying that his money is ringfenced AND you have to pay 2/3 mortgage forever. Absolute piss poor joke.

runningaway90 · 10/09/2024 13:42

Thanks for all the replies and appreciate how non judgmental they've been as I have been feeling so embarrassed about it all and angry with myself but I know that he does have a hold over me and it's very complex.
He wants to write up both of our financial contributions which I agree with but he also wants to include the 2/3 mortgage I've been paying for years. So my main sticking point is that it feels like I'd be committing to paying that percentage for good which worries me. I've been trying to get his to readjust things to be fairer but he says he can't afford to pay more monthly especially when he is paying all of the roof so I'm putting off committing to signing anything unless he agrees to change the split going forward as don't want to be held to paying more.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 10/09/2024 13:06

It is very hard to leave such an abusive person.

An interim response to him is "I'll think about on the condition we split the mortgage 50:50 from this month".

It lets him know you aren't going to be a push over.

You need a very very long and detailed list of everything you have spent on the house. The interest charges on the mortgage which need to be split 50:50 and how much each of you has contributed to the mortgage.

Then it gets ringfenced according to what each of you has contributed to date. Suddenly he will not be so keen to sign I'm sure. This would at least look like agreeing the split without going to court.

Another thing to say to buy you time is "I'll need independent legal advice before I sign anything".

Ask him to put in writing everything he has spent on the house less any monies you gave direct to him towards it. Let him do the ground work.