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Excluding a friend?

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StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:16

In the last few years my friendship group has settled into a nice little group of 5.
We have a WhatsApp that's busy with chat and support and we often get together with or without families. Husbands all get along too.
Before Xmas friend 1 told friend 2 that she's moving her child to a new school because of bullying that friend 2's child was involved in. Friend 1 insisted she didn't want to fall out, but friend 2 was upset, said it was all liesbso they had words and friend 1 left the WhatsApp.
Friend 1 has kept in touch with everyone except friend 2. When sending invites to stuff friend 1 includes everyone (Inc. Friend 2, who won't join in).
Friend 2 won't join anything that friend 1 is involved in. So we've had a few get together with just friend 2.
Friend 1 found out about this and is really upset. She thinks they should both be included in everything, and that we are actually preventing a reconciliation by enabling friend 2 to just leave her out. She left the WhatsApp group herself but is now feeling excluded.
If we didn't do anything with friend 2 separately she wouldn't see any of us.
Aibu to leave out friend 1 sometimes?

OP posts:
MiddleParking · 20/02/2024 14:03

Thehop · 20/02/2024 13:59

Friend 2 is a bully just like her son

she's manipulating you all with her woe is me act to try and cut out friend 1 who's behaved like an actual grown up despite being the injured party!

I don’t think it’s grown up to accuse someone (or their child) of something extremely unpleasant, leave the group WhatsApp and then starting to invite everyone to things and act as if nothing has happened. I think that’s pretty manipulative in itself actually. Friend 2 has the choice of turning up to socialise with someone who’s accused her child of something really awful, and all the associated implications, or not socialising at all, and friend 1 wants the third option - friend 2 maintaining the friendships independently- to be taken away. And feels free to instruct her adult friends along those lines. I think she sounds like a piece of work herself tbh.

thing47 · 20/02/2024 14:02

So essentially @StephPlum you are taking Friend 2's side because she gets more upset? I can sort of see how that might come about initially as a gut reaction, but I don't think it's a good premise to work from tbh. As you don't know the full story about the bullying allegations, I think you have to stay neutral as PPs have said.

Also this: Friend 1 invited us all to hers recently and friend 2 was so upset we all went is completely unreasonable. Friend 2 doesn't get to tell the rest of you that you can't be friends with Friend 1. That would be an absolute deal-breaker for me.

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 14:01

itsmyp4rty · 20/02/2024 13:58

Not wanting to go out with someone who you think has painted you and your child in an excessively bad light is not bullying. Friend 2 is not stopping anyone from seeing friend 1. To suggest it is bullying in ludicrous.

Don’t agree at all. Purposefully excluding one person from a friendship group is a form of bullying, albeit a passive aggressive one.
And she didn’t paint her child in a bad light, she moved her own child from their shared school because friend 2’s child was involved in bullying. Friend 1 didn’t want to fall out with friend 2. It sounds like she was rather amicable about it all.

RiceRiceMaybe · 20/02/2024 14:01

Add her back onto the WhatsApp group.
Invite both.

I don't really understand why she had to tell friend 2 at all
Maybe because any responsible parent would deal with their bullying child and make them see their behaviour is wrong.

eternalopt · 20/02/2024 13:59

If the kids are both yr 6, is there a strong possibility they'll be back in the same school next year anyway? Could this be the catalyst to bang heads together? Could you have a chat with friend 2 and assure her that if she came along to a group thing you'll hold her hand a bit so to speak to make sure it's ok?

Thehop · 20/02/2024 13:59

Friend 2 is a bully just like her son

she's manipulating you all with her woe is me act to try and cut out friend 1 who's behaved like an actual grown up despite being the injured party!

itsmyp4rty · 20/02/2024 13:58

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 13:56

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it? Friend 2 excluding friend 1 is a form of bullying in its own right.
I’d personally be having a chat with friend 2 and explain just how unfair she is being, and how she’s dividing your group and causing unnecessary tension. Why can’t she get over it? She sounds immature and petty.

Not wanting to go out with someone who you think has painted you and your child in an excessively bad light is not bullying. Friend 2 is not stopping anyone from seeing friend 1. To suggest it is bullying in ludicrous.

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 13:56

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it? Friend 2 excluding friend 1 is a form of bullying in its own right.
I’d personally be having a chat with friend 2 and explain just how unfair she is being, and how she’s dividing your group and causing unnecessary tension. Why can’t she get over it? She sounds immature and petty.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:55

ShareTheDuvet · 20/02/2024 13:52

Friend 2 sounds very manipulative, controlling and “woe is me”. The fact that she completely minimised the bullying her child was involved in is a big red flag too. She’s embarrassed and trying to exclude Friend 1 to cover her up her own failings as as parent is my take.

If it was me I would have kept quiet really. I don't really understand why she had to tell friend 2 at all

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Ariona · 20/02/2024 13:53

Why are you encouraging friend 1 to make more effort?? As always bullies are the victims. Sounds like mother, like child. Someone doesn't move their child for shits and giggles. You should be backing F1 and looking at F2 with a completely different view.

itsmyp4rty · 20/02/2024 13:53

If you want to go out with friend 2 without friend 1 or friend 1 without friend 2 then that is up to you - you don't always have to include everybody in everything especially when it's going to be awkward and tense.

Friend 1 chose to leave the group so she can hardly complain.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:52

Datafan55 · 20/02/2024 13:46

Sounds like you have firmly taken friend 2's side, OP.

I'm trying my best not to take sides, it's really why we were meeting friend 2 without friend 1 so that we got to see them both.
I also see how much more upset friend 2 is about it all, and that she doesn't really have anyone outside of our group (which I think is part of why it's all so devastating for her).
I'd do the same for friend 1 too

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MiddleParking · 20/02/2024 13:52

I don’t know if I agree with the consensus on this thread. Telling your friend their child is bullying yours badly enough to move schools, leaving a WhatsApp group and then saying you don’t want to fall out, being ‘hopeful the kids could have a better relationship with each other away from school’ (when the other kid was supposedly such a bully) and saying that it’s third parties preventing a reconciliation is a bit disingenuous. I also wouldn’t like being told who I could and couldn’t spend what time with if I was you OP.

ShareTheDuvet · 20/02/2024 13:52

Friend 2 sounds very manipulative, controlling and “woe is me”. The fact that she completely minimised the bullying her child was involved in is a big red flag too. She’s embarrassed and trying to exclude Friend 1 to cover her up her own failings as as parent is my take.

Datafan55 · 20/02/2024 13:46

Sounds like you have firmly taken friend 2's side, OP.

Dontbeme · 20/02/2024 13:46

I've been trying to encourage friend 1 to make more of an effort to resolve things

Why do you think it's up to friend 1 to resolve? She had to change her child's school due to bullying, the parent of the alleged bully called her and her child liars, and the child a tell tale, yet friend 1 still wants to keep things as amicable as possible. Do you not think Friend 2 should be putting in the effort here, instead she is acting the martyr so all the friendship group will choose her over friend 1? Has friend 2 reflected on any of this or apologised to friend 1 at all, it must have been serious to disrupt a child's education and friendship group.

Kinneddar · 20/02/2024 13:45

If we invite them both friend 1 will come, which means 2 won't and then 2 will be so upset. She's definitely finding the whole thing harder than friend 1

Well that's her decision. But really for the sake of everyone else's friendships you can't be seen to take sides. If F2 isn't big enough to accept the olive branch already offered thats on her. She needs to stop playing the victim and act like a grown up. She's certainly not setting any kind of good example to her kids

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:41

Greenpolkadot · 20/02/2024 13:37

Whats,,,'LIESBO ' ??

Sorry, that should be 'lies so'

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StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:40

I've been trying to encourage friend 1 to make more of an effort to resolve things. She is saying that she reached out a few times before Xmas with no response and beyond ensuring friend 2 isn't left out she's not really interested now in more than getting to a point where they can be polite to each other for everyone else's sake. I feel like she is being a cold about it all to be honest. She has lots of other friends so isn't missing out as much.

Friend 2 is utterly devasted, feels betrayed by friend 1 and that everyone will now think badly of her and her child. She said she is anxious all the time of bumping into friend 1.
Friend 1 invited us all to hers recently and friend 2 was so upset we all went.
If we invite them both friend 1 will come, which means 2 won't and then 2 will be so upset. She's definitely finding the whole thing harder than friend 1.

OP posts:
Dontbeme · 20/02/2024 13:39

Greenpolkadot · 20/02/2024 13:37

Whats,,,'LIESBO ' ??

I read it as "lies so" the B is a typo.

Greenpolkadot · 20/02/2024 13:37

Whats,,,'LIESBO ' ??

ilovelamp82 · 20/02/2024 13:37

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/02/2024 13:32

So friend 2’s child bullied friend 1’s child (probably, as she’s gone so far as to pull them from school). Now friend 2 is also trying to bully friend 1 by telling her “it’s all lies” and blanking her, trying to leave her out of the group.

You need to make sure friend 1 is invited to everything. Friend 2 can be a childish bully on her own time, but she doesn’t get to have tailored meet up pandering to her wanting to exclude friend 1. Up to her if she wants to leave herself out.

This. With bells on.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 20/02/2024 13:36

Agree with what PP’s have said about excluding friend 1. It’s almost like you’re condoning the bullying behaviour of friend 2’s child and it does sound like friend 2 is childish and a bully too as @GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing says.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/02/2024 13:33

workshy46 · 20/02/2024 13:24

I agree, Friend 1 is getting the raw deal here. Here child was bullied so badly by friend 2's son that he had to move school, she is prepared to not let it affect the friendship but friend 2 is not and acting like the injured party. Apples and trees spring to mind, cannot believe you are excluding friend 1.
V v v bad form

I agree, apples and trees.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/02/2024 13:32

So friend 2’s child bullied friend 1’s child (probably, as she’s gone so far as to pull them from school). Now friend 2 is also trying to bully friend 1 by telling her “it’s all lies” and blanking her, trying to leave her out of the group.

You need to make sure friend 1 is invited to everything. Friend 2 can be a childish bully on her own time, but she doesn’t get to have tailored meet up pandering to her wanting to exclude friend 1. Up to her if she wants to leave herself out.