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Excluding a friend?

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StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:16

In the last few years my friendship group has settled into a nice little group of 5.
We have a WhatsApp that's busy with chat and support and we often get together with or without families. Husbands all get along too.
Before Xmas friend 1 told friend 2 that she's moving her child to a new school because of bullying that friend 2's child was involved in. Friend 1 insisted she didn't want to fall out, but friend 2 was upset, said it was all liesbso they had words and friend 1 left the WhatsApp.
Friend 1 has kept in touch with everyone except friend 2. When sending invites to stuff friend 1 includes everyone (Inc. Friend 2, who won't join in).
Friend 2 won't join anything that friend 1 is involved in. So we've had a few get together with just friend 2.
Friend 1 found out about this and is really upset. She thinks they should both be included in everything, and that we are actually preventing a reconciliation by enabling friend 2 to just leave her out. She left the WhatsApp group herself but is now feeling excluded.
If we didn't do anything with friend 2 separately she wouldn't see any of us.
Aibu to leave out friend 1 sometimes?

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wronginalltherightways · 20/02/2024 17:54

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:28

I was really surprised that f1 was so upset. We've all kept in touch 1:1 and a few group events since the blow up.
F1 definitely seemed to be dealing with it well. She didn't talk about it much and her social media shows her out and about with her other friends and she seemed OK

I was F1, as I said above.
And this would be me as well ... pretending all was well when I was devastated they'd fallen for the bullshit being spouted by my child's bully's parent and supported them in their 'devastation'.

Noseybookworm · 20/02/2024 17:53

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:55

If it was me I would have kept quiet really. I don't really understand why she had to tell friend 2 at all

If your child was being bullied by a friend's child, so badly that they had to move schools, you'd keep quiet and carry on as if nothing's happened? You're a very strange person if you can do that! I think most people would want their friend to acknowledge their child's bullying behaviour and deal with it.

Trisolaris · 20/02/2024 17:50

And further to this, I bet friend 1 has been just as upset all along but hasn’t wanted to make things difficult for the friendship group. ie she has empathy.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:47

Trisolaris · 20/02/2024 17:45

Op, you are falling in the trap of wanting to please the most difficult person and taking for granted the more easy going person as you don’t like someone being upset with you.

Try thinking about who is actually a better friend to you and the right thing to do instead.

You're right I don't like anyone being upset with me, or because of me. It's horrible.

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user1984778379202 · 20/02/2024 17:47

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:41

She feels sad that she's lost her friend (f1) and angry that her child has been accused.
I can see that she is not being totally reasonable but I am her friend and still want to support her

I want to support f1 too and see that I need to do better there. I'm just struggling to do that without upsetting f2. Clearly I've not done well as f1 is now upset.

I do wish they'd sort it between them! F2 is organising most of the things we've done without f1 and I don't want to say no anymore than I'd say no to f1.

I do see though now how it looks like I'm siding with f2. I've just not wanted to upset anyone but I think maybe f1 has made it a bit easier than f2

What I'm taking from this is that you're scared of Friend 2 because she can be very volatile and demanding. That's not friendship, that's emotional manipulation. I think you should be putting her in her place and pointing out that Friend 1 wouldn't just move her kid's school on a whim.

Trisolaris · 20/02/2024 17:45

Op, you are falling in the trap of wanting to please the most difficult person and taking for granted the more easy going person as you don’t like someone being upset with you.

Try thinking about who is actually a better friend to you and the right thing to do instead.

strawberry2017 · 20/02/2024 17:43

To move your child to a new school
Is not a quick process and it's not an easy process. It also means you are probably thinking last resort.
I feel like you are maybe giving friend 2 more credit than she deserves. However I also find it bizarre that nothing seems to have been worked on to resolve the situation before it got to the point of moving school.
They clearly both have communication issues with each other and you have all been dumped on the middle. It feels like you need to send them both a message saying it's not fair to be in the middle and whilst you want them to resolve the situation and you will support where you can, you don't want them putting you in the middle anymore.
I am leaning more to friend 1s side though. I think it's a big step to move your child for something supposedly minor. I think maybe friend 2 is as much of an issue as her child.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:41

Lougle · 20/02/2024 17:28

@StephPlum what has F2 got to be upset about though? What is she finding hard? She is still on the WhatsApp group. She is still invited to things. She still has her child in the same school....the only thing that has changed is that DF1 said her child was involved in bullying of her child, and is willing to move past it in your social circles.

She feels sad that she's lost her friend (f1) and angry that her child has been accused.
I can see that she is not being totally reasonable but I am her friend and still want to support her

I want to support f1 too and see that I need to do better there. I'm just struggling to do that without upsetting f2. Clearly I've not done well as f1 is now upset.

I do wish they'd sort it between them! F2 is organising most of the things we've done without f1 and I don't want to say no anymore than I'd say no to f1.

I do see though now how it looks like I'm siding with f2. I've just not wanted to upset anyone but I think maybe f1 has made it a bit easier than f2

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FilthyforFirth · 20/02/2024 17:41

Yes I'm starting to feel the same. No one that is a genuine parent is this clueless re bullying and how to respond.

If true, why friend 1 still wants to be friends with you all, and you in particular is beyond me. She is better off without you all.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 20/02/2024 17:38

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fournaansjeremy · 20/02/2024 17:33

Friend 2 sounds awful.

You sound like an absolute coward.

I feel terrible for Friend 1. She's the only one who can hold her head high in this toxic mess.

HalebiHabibti · 20/02/2024 17:32

Boo fucking hoo for Friend 2. She has a child who bullied another child badly enough to make them move schools. She should rightfully be feeling upset about that. She's not though, is she? She's angry at the person who dared to flag it.

If I were Friend 1 I'd be beyond disappointed in all of you.

user1984778379202 · 20/02/2024 17:30

We do try and shut down any chat from f2 about f1 but I also feel like we should support her as she is finding this difficult.

But she's making it difficult for herself! If my child had been accused of bullying to the extent the other child's parents had to move them to a new school I would be mortified. I wouldn't be corralling our friendship group to exclude the bullied child's mother. I mean, you do see how the same thing is happening to the mum that's happened to her DC, and you're all part of it?

Lougle · 20/02/2024 17:29

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:28

I was really surprised that f1 was so upset. We've all kept in touch 1:1 and a few group events since the blow up.
F1 definitely seemed to be dealing with it well. She didn't talk about it much and her social media shows her out and about with her other friends and she seemed OK

What else could DF1 do?? She can't just stay at home, waiting for the situation to change. She had a choice to make and she chose her child.

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 17:29

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Lougle · 20/02/2024 17:28

@StephPlum what has F2 got to be upset about though? What is she finding hard? She is still on the WhatsApp group. She is still invited to things. She still has her child in the same school....the only thing that has changed is that DF1 said her child was involved in bullying of her child, and is willing to move past it in your social circles.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:28

I was really surprised that f1 was so upset. We've all kept in touch 1:1 and a few group events since the blow up.
F1 definitely seemed to be dealing with it well. She didn't talk about it much and her social media shows her out and about with her other friends and she seemed OK

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StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:26

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 17:21

Oh boo hoo. Interesting that you haven’t thought to set up a group with friend 1 and the others, excluding friend 2. You know, to make it fair.

So I did set up a group with everyone for an event we had all together. F1 posted on it a couple times. Then f2 left that group and now no one uses it. Chat on the original group continues as usual. We do try and shut down any chat from f2 about f1 but I also feel like we should support her as she is finding this difficult.
I still see f1 a couple of times a week at a class we do together and I know she chats to the others 1:1. We all make an effort to be at anything f1 invites us too.
I do feel like we've been trying to be fair, but clearly we've upset her when she saw us out without her and you're all helping me understand that.

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MississippiAF · 20/02/2024 17:22

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:18

It would create more drama with f2

Ok, I’m out - this is a waste of time.

You’ve chosen your side.

It’s the wrong side, btw.

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 17:21

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:18

It would create more drama with f2

Oh boo hoo. Interesting that you haven’t thought to set up a group with friend 1 and the others, excluding friend 2. You know, to make it fair.

Maybeicanhelpyou · 20/02/2024 17:20

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:18

It would create more drama with f2

Tough

It would show you’re not taking sides!

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:18

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 17:16

Oh right. So you don’t think it might be a kind and welcoming gesture to do that then?

It would create more drama with f2

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Timeheals · 20/02/2024 17:16

I’m confused.you seem to accept that something was going on between the children and F1 has acted to protect their child from (what certainly sounds like) bullying. She told F2 but continued to invite her along to maintain the social group. You think this was wrong? You would rather she kept it to herself and put on a front? What kind of friendship group is this? Wouldn’t it make more sense for F2 to acknowledge the problem and seek to support her child and friend? It sounds like there’s still a lot of growing up to do and if I was F1 I’d be leaving the group - with a bad taste in my mouth.

PossumintheHouse · 20/02/2024 17:16

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 16:52

F1 hasn't asked to be put back into the whatsapp

Oh right. So you don’t think it might be a kind and welcoming gesture to do that then?

acatcalledjohn · 20/02/2024 17:14

Just to respond to your earlier post about feeling sorry for friend 2 for having fewer friends...

I can totally see why she has fewer friends. She is unnecessary drama personified.

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