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Excluding a friend?

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StephPlum · 20/02/2024 13:16

In the last few years my friendship group has settled into a nice little group of 5.
We have a WhatsApp that's busy with chat and support and we often get together with or without families. Husbands all get along too.
Before Xmas friend 1 told friend 2 that she's moving her child to a new school because of bullying that friend 2's child was involved in. Friend 1 insisted she didn't want to fall out, but friend 2 was upset, said it was all liesbso they had words and friend 1 left the WhatsApp.
Friend 1 has kept in touch with everyone except friend 2. When sending invites to stuff friend 1 includes everyone (Inc. Friend 2, who won't join in).
Friend 2 won't join anything that friend 1 is involved in. So we've had a few get together with just friend 2.
Friend 1 found out about this and is really upset. She thinks they should both be included in everything, and that we are actually preventing a reconciliation by enabling friend 2 to just leave her out. She left the WhatsApp group herself but is now feeling excluded.
If we didn't do anything with friend 2 separately she wouldn't see any of us.
Aibu to leave out friend 1 sometimes?

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MayThe4th · 20/02/2024 18:15

Friend 2 said it’s not sustainable too. She said it'll only exist now with with either her or friend 1. She was really devastated at the prospect of the latter. ah so she gave you an ultimatum. Nice.

IAmAnIdiot123 · 20/02/2024 18:15

So are you and the other women basically playing Anne to F2's Amanda? How embarrassing.

pokebowls · 20/02/2024 18:15

So friend 2 is Queen B. Friend 2 is being all melodramatic. Friend 2s child most likely bullied friend 1s child enough for friend 1 to move schools in year 6. Friend 2 thinks the sun shines out of her dc arse. Friend 2s child was spoken to by school for excluding others. Friend 2 is organising stuff without friend 1 even though friend 1 still invited friend 2.

Good grief woman can you but see who the problem is here?

Why are you so concerned about upsetting friend 2 but not so worried about upsetting friend 1

What is is about Queen Bees that has all the weaker mums pandering to them and being so manipulated

Grow up and support friend 1.

StaunchMomma · 20/02/2024 18:14

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 18:12

It doesn't take away from the fact that f1 is also upset. I see that I've been unfair to assume she wasn't that upset about it and was likely just trying to navigate difficult waters with the rest of us all in mind.

She's had to move her child to a different school and has seemingly lost her friends over it!

HOW can you assume that's not upsetting?! Because friend 1 isn't being as emotionally manipulative?

user1984778379202 · 20/02/2024 18:14

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 18:12

It doesn't take away from the fact that f1 is also upset. I see that I've been unfair to assume she wasn't that upset about it and was likely just trying to navigate difficult waters with the rest of us all in mind.

She was forced to pull her child out of school because they were being bullied by a friend's child and her reward for doing so is exclusion from the friendship group and you assumed she wasn't upset?!!

Now I'm starting to think this is a wind up too.

BeachBeerBbq · 20/02/2024 18:14

Totally absolutely, if this is not made up, I will never believe you are not the F2.

Sit in a corner and think a bit about your life and your treatment of others, even if you are not f2.

Candleabra · 20/02/2024 18:12

Ah I see. Friend 2 is “sensitive”.
Sensitive people have more feelings and naturally get more upset about things than others. They are always the victim. Loudly.
Strangely when their behaviour is mirrored back to them they lash out, and are not at all sensitive about other people’s feelings.

It is true, nice guys do finish last. Friend 1 appears to have been utterly decent about the whole thing. To reward this you’ve rallied round the wrong person and she’s left out in the cold.

user1984778379202 · 20/02/2024 18:12

The more updates OP posts, the more I think Friend 1 has had a lucky escape. What a horrible viper's nest Friend 2 presides over.

StaunchMomma · 20/02/2024 18:12

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 14:28

Friend 2 said its not sustainable too. She said it'll only exist now with with either her or friend 1. She was really devastated at the prospect of the latter.
I do worry its probably the end of us all getting together as a group

The more you post, the more of an arse friend 2 sounds. You keep saying you're trying not to take sides but you absolutely are doing, by the sounds of it purely on the basis of friend 2 making more of a fuss! I feel so bad for Friend 1, she's done literally nothing wrong and is taking the brunt of all of this.

Friend 2 has somehow managed to make everything all about her, rather than a BULLIED CHILD! She's dramatic, manipulative and entitled. How dare she suggest the friendship group can only exist with 1 or the other of them? Is she TWELVE?! That's emotional blackmail and I'd be telling her to fuck right off. She sounds vile.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 18:12

Lougle · 20/02/2024 18:08

You're still holding on to that narrative that DF2 is the one who is really upset, aren't you?

It doesn't take away from the fact that f1 is also upset. I see that I've been unfair to assume she wasn't that upset about it and was likely just trying to navigate difficult waters with the rest of us all in mind.

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brentwoods · 20/02/2024 18:08

MayThe4th · 20/02/2024 18:07

As is the OP. Either because she is friend2 or because she is siding with her.

Yes, you beat me to it -- crossposted with my edit.

Lougle · 20/02/2024 18:08

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 18:07

Yes she is. She's very involved In school too which I think adds to her upset

Edited

You're still holding on to that narrative that DF2 is the one who is really upset, aren't you?

MayThe4th · 20/02/2024 18:07

brentwoods · 20/02/2024 18:03

Friend 2 is a bully, just like her kid.

ETA: And you are a bad friend, siding with #2. 🙄

Edited

As is the OP. Either because she is friend2 or because she is siding with her.

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 18:07

IAmAnIdiot123 · 20/02/2024 18:05

Is F2 the queen bee of the group by any chance? She is clearly manipulative from your posts yet you can't seem to see that. I would be amazed if the child wasn't bullying the other one. Seems they learnt from the best how to manipulate adults into believing everything they say.

Yes she is. She's very involved In school too which I think adds to her upset

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IAmAnIdiot123 · 20/02/2024 18:05

Is F2 the queen bee of the group by any chance? She is clearly manipulative from your posts yet you can't seem to see that. I would be amazed if the child wasn't bullying the other one. Seems they learnt from the best how to manipulate adults into believing everything they say.

sonjadog · 20/02/2024 18:04

Friend 2 is so manipulative that I am surprised that you can't see it. Friend 1 sounds like an emotionally mature adult. I am not surprised Friend 1 has many more friends than Friend 2. I suspect this situation will sort out itself in time as Friend 1 will move closer to her other friends and lose touch with you. And then you will be left with Friend 2. Lucky you, eh?

brentwoods · 20/02/2024 18:03

Friend 2 is a bully, just like her kid.

ETA: And you are a bad friend, siding with #2. 🙄

Bubblybooboo · 20/02/2024 17:59

I have never had this level of drama in any friendship group. Honestly I think some people enjoy it or even if they don’t enjoy it they feed it. It would be so easy to just not get involved.

whereaw · 20/02/2024 17:58

If you want to do the right thing you will often upset people.
If you're worried about staying in the 'in' group in your school, keep doing what you're doing. That's why bullies always win... seems like learned behaviour on the kids part!

MayThe4th · 20/02/2024 17:57

So what have the consequences been to your child for bullying f1’s child? Because it is blatantly obvious that you’re friend2

actually after her behaviour I’d be removing friend2 from the group. The reason she doesn’t have friends is because she’s a bitch.

so if you’re not friend2 but are siding with her that’s what decent people will think of you too.

Bubblybooboo · 20/02/2024 17:57

Honestly I think you are getting way too involved in their relationship. If I were you I’d take a big step back. Refuse to talk to either of them about the situation with the other - “That’s between you and X. My relationships with you both is seperate to the issue you have with each-other. That’s for you two to sort”.
Id accept whatever invites I wanted and declined what invites I wanted. You can’t complain about being left out if you chose to leave a group chat, you can’t complain about being left out if you are invited and choose not to attend.

Honestly, the rest of you should take a step back.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 20/02/2024 17:57

I think you should ignore the original disagreement. Unless 1 actually killed and ate 2's puppy, it's between them.

Now 1 wants to go back to normal (with some unavoidable froideur), but instead is being excluded by the group.

And 2 wants you all to go further and completely ostracise 1 and is so so upset that you haven't.

You wouldn't need to know anything about these two people or their disagreement to work out what you have to do from reading the above.

It's reverse Prisoner's Dilemma. The Prisoner who's an arsehole shouldn't be the one that gets out of gaol.

diddl · 20/02/2024 17:56

She feels sad that she's lost her friend (f1)

Yet won't meet up with her in a group!

I do wish they'd sort it between them!

How will that happen when F2 excludes F1 & won't meet up when she is there?

StephPlum · 20/02/2024 17:56

Trisolaris · 20/02/2024 17:50

And further to this, I bet friend 1 has been just as upset all along but hasn’t wanted to make things difficult for the friendship group. ie she has empathy.

I had thought she would talk to us if she was upset, but you may be right. I need a proper chat with her

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ditalini · 20/02/2024 17:55

F2 is going scorched earth. She won't really be happy until you've all excised F1 from your lives completely (or at least go to great lengths to disguise any contact).

Make sure you never, ever upset F2 or it'll be you next time - you know that's the lesson she's teaching you right? Great friend. Fun times.

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