To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

I don't think GC = right wing and I don't think i said I did
I think what were previously places for radical feminists have been attracting more right wing posters and its changed the nature of the conversation.

Also that KJK is not a feminist

It took me ages to find the meme I was looking for to illustrate my previous post. GC beliefs and religious/right wing beliefs have overlap in some areas (as, you will notice, do gender believers and the religious right); but they are not the same.

I don't believe that GC feminism has become right wing, but that some ideas in GC feminism have a limited overlap with some conservative/Christian ideas. Couple that with the fact that only right leaning political figures (with very few notable exceptions) and right leaning media platforms will publicly come anywhere near GC people/beliefs, and I can see how one might think GC=right wing. But it really doesn't stack up. It's simply that so-called liberal or left wing parties, people and platforms have utterly disavowed even the mildest of GC thought, whether through genuine belief, lack of critical thinking or fear of cancellation who can say.

I wasn't saying they were right wing

You did say they were right wing, just a page back. This is your full quote.

Because when you ask about other things related to feminism these posters take a right wing view

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies. They think that immigrants are causing women to be harassed across the UK. They don't agree that rape is effectively decriminalised.

I quoted them

All I can see are quotes from the article, rather than quotes from MN posters supporting this

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies.

I don’t think people are outraged. Just noticing the claims don’t stack up

I wasn't saying they were right wing, I was saying there are posters supporting Cates views about babies. That you told me didn't exist

I quoted them
Now I'm not talking to you any more because you are just being ridiculously goady.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4851419-rape-clause-row-as-keir-starmer-says-labour-will-not-scrap-two-child-benefit-cap

What posts on this thread do you think are right wing? I don't even know what point you're trying to prove here

Thread about Cates:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4865798-britains-very-own-battle-for-births

What posts on there say this ...

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies.

I mean really. All i was saying is I agreed with another poster who has moved away from GC sites/twitter because of the right wing views that come with it. That's my experience too.

And you are all kind of proving my point by getting so outraged at my opinion and insisting I prove every last statement.

Read the Braverman thread. Plenty of it on there, although some of the more egregious examples have been deleted.

OK
I can't answer your question but I just want to say this policy (two child benefit cap) makes me very sad. On a thread a few weeks ago was a low-income mum in an overcrowded council house, and she was pregnant with a surprise but wanted baby... so many comments were saying she should abort. And, practically, that might be the best thing. But it breaks my heart that we live in a society where a loving mum would have to abort a wanted baby because she can't afford it. And most of my friends and family call me conservative (small c). Domestic birth rates are so low in this country, we should celebrate mums and babies.

^Gods this is awful. Every Western country goes on about the declining birth rate but does nothing to help mothers!
Immigration is a huge expense...maybe less of that and a big allowance for those mothers who want a big family.^

Domestic birth rates are way under replacement level: without substantial and increasing immigration we are going to be such an aging society our health services (and other services) will be crippled and there will be widespread health catastrophe. Within a generation or two. I'm not exaggerating if you look at the stats.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4851419-rape-clause-row-as-keir-starmer-says-labour-will-not-scrap-two-child-benefit-cap

Thread about Cates:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4865798-britains-very-own-battle-for-births

Quotes from article:
“There is one critical outcome that liberal individualism has completely failed to deliver and that is babies,” one of the rising stars of the Tory party, MP Miriam Cates, told the National Conservatism conference in May.

Cates also objects to government plans to expand free childcare, arguing that instead there should be tax reform to persuade mothers to stay at home.

Miriam Cates is not a feminist, despite being GC, yet we all have to think she's great and vote for her because she says women have vaginas.

Well yes, if you want women to go back to a life where their value is through having babies and staying at home, vaginas are going to be important.

I don't think feminists should avoid talking about anything. I think a position that only certain kinds of men, I.e. foreign ones, are rapists is not a feminist position. Yet its stated on here all the time as a fact and a reason GC voters should vote Conservative.

Have you got any receipts for that assertion? As I personally have never seen any poster say only foreign men are rapists, let alone 'all the time as a fact'.

I voted Conservative once, that doesn't make me right wing. KJK is happy to go on right wing shows, align herself with alt-right views, I find it objectionable. If she genuinely supported womens rights she would not want to be promoted by Jordan Peterson.

KJK can only appear on shows which will have her on. And in the main, it's only been places like GB news that will show anything even remotely GC. So what should she or any GC person who wants to share their views do?

You can disagree with me, my point however is what used to be primarily a radical feminist movement has grown to encompass some very right wing positions that I prefer not to engage with. That's my right.

GC beliefs don't encompass very right wing positions, it's just that GC feminists and some right wingers have some similar beliefs about sex and gender, though from different starting points/different reasons.That doesn't make GC right wing, any more than me agreeing with Donald Trump that water is wet makes me a Trump supporter.

This

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies. They think that immigrants are causing women to be harassed across the UK. They don't agree that rape is effectively decriminalised.

Or the alternative explanation is you don't actually read the views on here, just pop on to ask questions and drive away posters who aren't in the clique with insults.

Quote one post that actually supports what you asserted

Or the alternative explanation is you don't actually read the views on here, just pop on to ask questions and drive away posters who aren't in the clique with insults.

My point is there are a lot of right wing posters claiming they are GC for reasons other than womens rights. I don't have to go trawling round for individual posts in response to your gotchas.

Im simply asking you to provide evidence for your claims, which you clearly are unable to do.

People agreeing with Kemi or Miriam on gender issues is not the same as this.

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies. They think that immigrants are causing women to be harassed across the UK. They don't agree that rape is effectively decriminalised.

I'm sure you know that. The alternative explanation is that you're not very bright and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on that.

The problem for the left is the absence of being pro women at all in the public space. Left media and politics are pretty much captured and pro TRA

Those annoyed with ‘the right’ as they see it do still do post here despite saying FWR puts them off and they find it hard to link anything left and pro women in the media or politics

That GC absence is a huge issue

My point is there are a lot of right wing posters claiming they are GC for reasons other than womens rights. I don't have to go trawling round for individual posts in response to your gotchas. It is patently obvious that there are a significant number who love Tory populism

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4588712-kemi-badenoch-knows-what-a-woman-is

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4776977-suella-braverman-vows-to-stamp-out-grooming-gangs-behind-organised-child-sex-abuse?page=1

I agree with OP that the tories think there are votes to be won by making trans politics a wedge issue. Its working as you can see from the cheerleading

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies.

None of what you you just posted backs that up, never mind your other claims

Again, I'm sure you are more than capable of doing your own googling
But as you asked so nicely (not)
She is amazing. I thought JT did a pretty good job of remaining balanced and fair in that. Cates is such an ‘answer to my prayers’ - mum, biology teacher, MP, tenacious, articulate, poised and totally committed to stopping this social disease… I (an agnostic) have actually wondered if there could be a divine hand in her role in all this! 😂...Everything she writes or says packs a punch

For me, there are only two candidates who can do anything with the moribund Tories, Cates and Badenoch. Braverman is a busted flush, and the likes of Jonny Mercer, Rory Stewart, Jeremy Hunt etc would only continue the ethic-less direction of modern Conservatism.

I'm afraid she's now (if she wasn't already) a target for the left.....Cultural Marxist usage, her aversion to home abortion pills, her enthusiasm to reduce the abortion time limit, her inability to state whether she'd have supported gay marriage, her seeming over emphasis on mothers given options other than only work, her zero tolerance on trans in schools and highlighting safeguarding issues thereof, will be grist to the mill to the identarian grievance monger

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4837933-janice-turner-interview-with-miriam-cates

Wheres the evidence for what you posted above?

On Posie imo people get a bit too hooked into her position and her as a personality

She does well to raise issues, she gets cut through in ways others don’t

She’s not someone I have to align with fully or follow even to be GC

I’m glad she’s fighting the fight though. We need all we can

Here's some FWR links about Posie, none posted by me and in fact I haven't read all of them
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4586847-and-this-is-exactly-why-posie-parker-is-a-liability

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4864363-posie-parker-on-jordan-peterson

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4640337-sarah-ditum-on-posie-parker

I'm not unusual among feminists for not thinking she is all that

Because when you ask about other things related to feminism these posters take a right wing view

I.e. they agree with Miriam Cates that women should be encouraged to stay home and have babies. They think that immigrants are causing women to be harassed across the UK. They don't agree that rape is effectively decriminalised.

I have never seen anything remotely like this. Can you post your evidence?