Handy that Lizzo has taken attention away from Ariana Grande

She didn't say her audiences were mainly black. She said that they were mainly white (as proved by your own experience) but that her music is informed by her experience as a black woman.

're her saying her audiences were mainly black, I went to see her concert in Birmingham this year, the audience were about 90% white. The thing that really pissed me off about her was, about half way through the show, she said how glad she was to be in the UK, with all the terrible things happening in America right now. I assumed she was referring to things like the abortion ban, but no, it was about drag queens being banned! Lost huge respect for her after that...

I mean Ariana was a child star they are all messed up let’s face it. So far the worse that’s happened to her is a string of dicks.

Only on Mumsnet, and here only for the chance to tut tut at her morals and feel virtuous.

Is anyone over the age of 12 actually interested in who Ariana Grande's boyfriend is?

I agree with this completely

@Siouxiesiouxiesioux totally agree with your comments. The lawsuit seems flimsy at best and certainly wouldn't be filed anywhere but the USA. I guess Lizzo doesn't know her place as far as some people are concerned. Perhaps we could just appreciate these two women's undoubted talent and stop with the gleeful gossip?

Am I right in thinking that these dancers went on a reality show to get the jobs. That doesn't disprove what they're saying but maybe shows a certain inclination to wanting fame.

I’m not sure about the Lizzo accusations tbh, I’m not a huge fan, but I read through them and as someone else said they’re a bit wooly, they could have been exaggerated by people with an axe to grind. Not saying that I don’t believe them, but I will reserve judgement.

Interesting, and where did you read or see this, where she states such things?

I've been trying to find where she says she doesn't care about white fans and I can't see that. I see that she was accused by some black critics of making music just for white people, suggesting that she was ignoring her black roots, but she countered by saying that the majority of people who attend her concerts are white so she could see how people feel that way, but that she writes music based on her experience as a black woman. This woman can't win.

The charges for forcing religion on the dancers are made against Lizzo's dance captain, Quigley, not Lizzo. Both Quigley and Lizzo are being sued by the sacked dancers.

I’ve never been rude to any waiter/ess or delivery driver for getting my order wrong.

Being hungry is no excuse.

Has Ariana Grande ever particularly tried to be likable? Granted I haven’t paid too much attention to her, but I was under the impression that you couldn’t even begin to count the number of fucks she doesn’t give.

Ethan Slater reminds me a bit of Woody Allen, also an inexplicable magnet for beautiful women back in the day.

What Lizzo is accused of doing is far worse than Ariande Grande's love life. Some of the allegations (particularly the one involving bananas) would be incredibly humiliating. If it's true then she deserves to be taken to court for it and I hope it's expensive.

I assumed that calling him a scarecrow was to do with his character in Wicked (which is the film they met on).

I was just saying the PP had the wrong Oz character. He's playing Boq, who is a Munchkin, not the scarecrow.

I had to Google this.

so Lizzo is accused of sexual harassment (amongst other allegations) and her apparently very Christian and proselytising dance captain / manager of religious discrimination and other inappropriate behaviour.

wow. Not good (<=stating the obvious)
but am I the only one surprised by the Christian factor? I know that faith can be personal. But after having just watched a video of Lizzo… well, it doesn’t seem particularly Christian to me!

I am also not surprised that there apparently was a very sexually charged and inappropriate atmosphere (or work culture?), considering what is performed on stage. seems like the stage performance translates to backstage…!

Clear boundaries (and a moral compass/respect for employees rights and dignity) are probably even more important in this kind of work environment.

really? Not surprised at all, she has been always rude, r2c1st and obnoxious and if you are white- why bother being a fan she said she dosent care for white fans.

They would forgive the Ariana's, coquettishly stealing married men and changing race on a whim, a million times, but will gorge on the allegations about Lizzo.

Again, these things are not comparable.

The fact that she is fat, feminist (well until these allegations came out) and proudly black

Hypocrites will hypocrite. I am all for press piling on these. It was all just USP. Most of these things are in many, many celebrities. Some just can't keep up with that image too long.

Next could be Dicaprio et al and his "save the planet" while we swoon around in private jets.

I feel there is a large proportion of the press who have been waiting to pounce on Lizzo ever since she rose to fame

That is probably true.

But I do think that if Ariana Grande was accused of the same thing and sued, that would also be very widely reported. I hadn't actually heard about the Ariana story before this thread. I think they're different types of story. A lawsuit over sexual harassment vs an affair?

coquettishly stealing married men

No one steals someone else's spouse. I'm not defending an affair, but unless he was kidnapped, she didn't steal him.

The two things aren't linked don't be silly

Ariana has separated.
Lizzard is being prosecuted.

Not quite the same.