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To think a relationship wouldn’t be easier just because you’re the same sex?

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pointofbreakking · 12/01/2023 21:41

My friend and her boyfriend have a tumultuous relationship and she said to me if they don’t work out then she’d never be with a man again and she’d only date women. Said seriously and not a flippant comment.

Aibu to think that’s ridiculous and also ignorant. Assuming it’s just easy to date someone because they are the same sex as you regardless of whether you’re actually even attracted to that sex.

I’m all for experimenting but I think to do it based on an “easier life” assumption is not the one. .

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QueenSophia · 15/07/2026 13:30

Simonjt · 13/01/2023 11:48

I saw this and I was surprised, I did see a while ago (I’ll try and find it again) which showed that gay women typically married earlier in relationship than gay men, so I wonder if that is part of the reasons for more divorces.

Maybe, a mistake can be when some lesbian couples rush in & move in etc quickly.

Also lesbians are much more likely to marry in general than gay men, so there's a much bigger pool to start with. Gay men who do marry are very likely to be super committed

A couple of other reasons : around 50% of gay men are according to surveys in open relationships. Lesbian and straight couples are less likely to want to do this so lack that avenue to ease sexual boredom if that's an issue.

Women intiate 90% of divorces so it's unsurprising 2 women would have higher & 2 men lower.

QueenSophia · 15/07/2026 13:24

SamanthaCaine · 13/01/2023 07:39

My marriage is as easy going as it gets. Wonderful in fact.

However, we've gay (female) friends who are married and whilst one of them is 100% easy going, the other is controlling AF. I definitely couldn't cope with the level of control as it's abusive afaic.

I don't know if it's myth but I read somewhere, where gay female relationships are the most abusive of all types.

This is a myth.

The misinformation started because the US CDC did a study and they found lesbian women had experienced the most abuse. However, a lot of this was abuse from men in relationships before they came out. The levels of abuse from relationships with women were lower if we're talking about physical, and equal if we're referring to mental abuse.

Across studies, lesbian relationships have about the same level of abuse as straight relationships if we're talking about emotional abuse. They have lower physical & sexual abuse rates, which makes sense as men commit 90% of those types of crimes.

Gay men have a low reported abuse rate, but there's lots of evidence gay male DV & sexual abuse is very underreported.

denishhol · 13/01/2023 19:24

pointofbreakking · 13/01/2023 16:14

But have you have a good number of relationships with each?

If it was just one relationship with a man then it’s not a fair comparison.

My other argument is (not you Rambam) if you’re straight why would you even consider the same sex if you’re physically not attracted to them? Because surely that’s just companionship rather than a sexual relationship.

Oftentimes people just aren't that interested in sex and conpanionship and intimacy (not necessarily sex) is more important.

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/01/2023 16:59

I actually think in many ways my life would be a lot easier if I were a lesbian. There's a lot about the way men conduct themselves in relationships which I can't come to terms with and which I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get from a woman.

In particular:

  • Assuming that the woman will pick up most of the domestic work and all the mental load. Generally lame and selfish domestic behaviour.
  • Mansplaining and grandstanding (talking over the top of you, showing off in public, telling you what to do)
  • Assuming that they get to make decisions about important things in life without consultation
  • Assuming that their tedious hobbies take precedence over yours
  • Not listening to you
  • General machismo and swagger

Not saying all men do this (my current partner doesn't) or that women never do this but women tend to be far less entitled and far more aware of the dynamics of relationships.

That said, I think the tendency of some women to overanalyse, over-think and want to talk about everything about the relationship would drive me bonkers. I've had numerous conversations with lesbians over the years who have said this is the only downside of committed relationships with other women.

Sometimes a man's lack of emotional awareness can actually be a blessing. Anyway I've never found women sexually attractive so I'm stuck with men.

JamJarJane · 13/01/2023 16:37

In my experience of dating both sexes, relationships with men are harder to maintain on a practical level (the woman carries more of the load) and relationships with women are harder emotionally. There can be an intensity between two women, lots of hormonal ups and downs, and a set of expectations of the relationship that men generally can't be arsed to have! I am generalising but that has been my experience.

pointofbreakking · 13/01/2023 16:14

RambamThankyouMam · 13/01/2023 09:34

In my experience (as a woman) relationships with women are easier.

But have you have a good number of relationships with each?

If it was just one relationship with a man then it’s not a fair comparison.

My other argument is (not you Rambam) if you’re straight why would you even consider the same sex if you’re physically not attracted to them? Because surely that’s just companionship rather than a sexual relationship.

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Simonjt · 13/01/2023 11:48

Jimboscott0115 · 13/01/2023 07:09

Well, just simply explain to her that Lesbian divorce rates are high as well and are increasing, but given they are double that of Gay men, she may have more joy becoming trans and being able in a gay relationship.

I saw this and I was surprised, I did see a while ago (I’ll try and find it again) which showed that gay women typically married earlier in relationship than gay men, so I wonder if that is part of the reasons for more divorces.

denishhol · 13/01/2023 09:50

All the problems I have had with men was ALWAYS down to the expression of their sexism and expression of their maleness. Women don't have the same problem. Why would they.

ZacharinaQuack · 13/01/2023 09:49

If we're going to take it seriously, then yes, obviously being with a woman is not easier than being with a man because it depends on the individual people. And no self-respecting lesbian is going to want a partner who only picked you because she thought you'd be less effort than her ex-boyfriend. But the one thing I think can be 'easier' in a same-sex relationship is that there are far fewer stereotypes and preconceptions about individual roles. So you have the freedom - but also have to - work things out for yourselves as a couple, and are less likely to just fall into existing patterns that you see as 'normal'.

For example with parenting, I know lots of lovely, very egalitarian straight couples who share the work etc. but at parties somehow it's always the dads hanging out drinking in the kitchen and having interesting conversations while the mums gradually all melt away to the living room to see what the toddlers are up to...

Hoppinggreen · 13/01/2023 09:47

ShakespearesBlister · 12/01/2023 22:22

They were probably scared they might get their teeth punched right down their throats if they didn't agree with you 😉

Naughty (but funny)

denishhol · 13/01/2023 09:46

I would and have said the same thing. Dating women would be easier as a woman just because of the socialisation men get and the biology they don't share.

NashvilleQueen · 13/01/2023 09:42

You'd double your wardrobe though ...🤷🏻‍♀️

It's obviously ridiculous.

KettrickenSmiled · 13/01/2023 09:39

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 22:20

Oh, and this little gem: How do you cook if neither of you have a wife? Shock

😂Bloody hell, that's equal parts hilarious & worrying. I genuinely thought this level of ignorance had pretty much died out ...

ZacharinaQuack · 13/01/2023 09:36

bloodyeverlastinghell · 13/01/2023 07:40

I think I’m guilty of thinking this; I sit with my friends and everyone complains about men. I’m single. Surely it’d be easier to find a like minded woman than a man? I think what I want is for someone to share the mental load with rather than a shag, no energy for dating, I’ll be single till Dc are much older tbf.

There are far fewer gay women than there are straight men, so even if the average quality were higher, it would still be hard to find one. When I used to do online dating it was almost impossible to match with anyone in my area that I didn't already know.

xogossipgirlxo · 13/01/2023 09:34

Gosh, I could never be with woman, I think it would be much much harder for me to work out what woman wants 😜, even though I think men are from different planet. I think if I divorced, I would never date again, regardless of sex. I have some lesbian colleagues and by no means they are simple to understand, they are just... normal people, have their own weird stuff etc. like all of us. Why would it be easy to date them?

RambamThankyouMam · 13/01/2023 09:34

In my experience (as a woman) relationships with women are easier.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 13/01/2023 09:28

I think this is a bit of a weird argument.

I love my DH but he is hard work (doesn’t do his share at all unless pushed, doesn’t even realise how little he does, and generally needs to be, no idea how to phrase this, looked after a bit, in order to be happy).

However, I really love him and that is that. If I found myself single, I wouldn’t want to live with a man ever again, not sure I would even be interested in dating (menopause, children etc). I wouldn’t mind living with a female friend.

But fundamentally, I am heterosexual and my sexuality would not change just because I might prefer my female friends in all other ways.

am I the odd one out feeling this way?

bloodyeverlastinghell · 13/01/2023 07:40

I think I’m guilty of thinking this; I sit with my friends and everyone complains about men. I’m single. Surely it’d be easier to find a like minded woman than a man? I think what I want is for someone to share the mental load with rather than a shag, no energy for dating, I’ll be single till Dc are much older tbf.

SamanthaCaine · 13/01/2023 07:39

My marriage is as easy going as it gets. Wonderful in fact.

However, we've gay (female) friends who are married and whilst one of them is 100% easy going, the other is controlling AF. I definitely couldn't cope with the level of control as it's abusive afaic.

I don't know if it's myth but I read somewhere, where gay female relationships are the most abusive of all types.

Rainallnight · 13/01/2023 07:29

I’m a lesbian and I find this such an ignorant and simplistic view.

WandaWonder · 13/01/2023 07:21

I don't get the logic unless she has the idea that women are saints and men are <insert swear words here>

Jimboscott0115 · 13/01/2023 07:09

Well, just simply explain to her that Lesbian divorce rates are high as well and are increasing, but given they are double that of Gay men, she may have more joy becoming trans and being able in a gay relationship.

Simonjt · 13/01/2023 06:39

Why would it any different? Plus if she chooses to date women, that suggests she doesn’t find women sexually attractive, so good luck with that and good luck to the poor woman she ends up in a sham relationship with.

gogohmm · 12/01/2023 22:42

@Keyansier

Love the cooking comment though I openly admit I checked dp (male, opposite sex) could do basic car maintenance before long into our relationship because it's the one thing I know nothing about! Gender roles and all that (Ps I do all the cooking)

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 22:39

ShakespearesBlister · 12/01/2023 22:22

They were probably scared they might get their teeth punched right down their throats if they didn't agree with you 😉

What you said doesn't make any sense because they said the comment and I didn't say anything for them to agree with. But I'm sure you found what you posted funny and clever though, for a second Wink

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