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Would you rather stay in U.K. or aus

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whytesnow · 02/01/2023 23:40

And what's your reasons? Just had a crazy idea to move over as I don't have any commitments here and life is getting boring for me here

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DifferenceEngines · 03/01/2023 05:57

DeirdreRashid · 03/01/2023 01:28

What @KnickerlessParsons said about them being not very nice to the indigenous populations. That’s why I couldn’t stay. The UK is bloody fantastic in comparison. Also weather. Actually far easier to have a healthy outdoor lifestyle here in our temperate climate than in Oz

When did you last visit Australia - 1983? Yes, anywhere that was invaded by the British in the past has huge inequity issues for first nations people. However please don't discount the efforts that are being made in Australia to recognise indigenous culture and close the health gap.

Endlesssummer2022 · 03/01/2023 05:54

I’m a born and bred Londoner who’s married to an Australian. We both LOVE London. London in the summer cannot be beaten. However, we’ve fallen out of love with the UK due to the national politics and the fact people seem to have given up and are accepting lower standards of living whilst our betters get ever richer. We don’t want this for us or our kids.

I’m currently in Australia, Victoria, seeing the in-laws and what strikes me is that it’s a country looking to the future, whereas the UK feels increasingly fixated on the past. Many of the issues being faced in the UK, e.g. the NHS are avoidable but people keep voting for absolute bullshit.

We were viewing properties earlier with a view to moving across in a couple of years.

Interestingly every time I’ve discussed Australia with acquaintances, they’ve brought up racism. I’m mixed race (black/white) as are our kids. My SIL here is Asian. I can say hand on heart that this was a bigger issue a couple of decades ago, however, I feel safer and more accepted/welcome here than in many areas of the UK e.g some areas of Kent.

The people here are largely positive and looking to the future, it’s just a different vibe and more in line for what I want for my kids.

The cost of living is higher but wages are higher and actually emphasise how low wages are in the UK. We’ll never sell our home in London though. I will always love it and we’d like the option to move back and have a base for our kids.

MulberryMoon · 03/01/2023 05:51

echt · 03/01/2023 00:43

Australia is fucking awful in every way possible. Stay where you are.

Is that what you really think or you live there and don't want people moving there?

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:49

Aussiegirl123456 · 03/01/2023 05:46

This one was a while back and I definitely didn’t go anywhere near this one as was huge!
Again, non venomous.

I lived on acreage for 5 years and never saw any snakes, as soon as I moved to suburbia, these are the two I’ve seen. Both in my garden, typical!

But honestly, the only thing I’m scared of is magpies. And plovers. And some Aussie drivers. If you can survive those then you can survive anything haha!

Oh lord yes, I’d take a snake over a ute driver any day!

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:47

It’s ok, I’m mostly teasing 😄 In my state you would call an organisation called WIRES to ask for advice. You probably wouldn’t ask a neighbour as we are not all quite as blasé as @Aussiegirl123456 Also, unless you are very familiar, it’s safest to assume the wildlife is venomous.

Aussiegirl123456 · 03/01/2023 05:47

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:40

if you’re too scared to move it is there someone you can call like pest control?

Yeah, there’s usually snake catchers in every suburb.

Did I mention the coffee is amazing here?!

Aussiegirl123456 · 03/01/2023 05:46

This one was a while back and I definitely didn’t go anywhere near this one as was huge!
Again, non venomous.

I lived on acreage for 5 years and never saw any snakes, as soon as I moved to suburbia, these are the two I’ve seen. Both in my garden, typical!

But honestly, the only thing I’m scared of is magpies. And plovers. And some Aussie drivers. If you can survive those then you can survive anything haha!

Would you rather stay in U.K. or aus
Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:42

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:41

You call a wildlife rescue service. Snakes are protected.

Oh of course I didn’t mean kill it! Maybe a kindly neighbour would have more balls than me 😂

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:42

Hey @Aussiegirl123456 you should spam the thread with more snake pictures - that should sort the sheep from the goats 😂

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:41

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:40

if you’re too scared to move it is there someone you can call like pest control?

You call a wildlife rescue service. Snakes are protected.

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:40

if you’re too scared to move it is there someone you can call like pest control?

Gremlinsateit · 03/01/2023 05:39

Oh I love non-venomous pythons, they are so warm and soft to hold 😂

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:38

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

runs screaming, slams door, screeches off in car

Aussiegirl123456 · 03/01/2023 05:35

Couldn’t make it up!
I post bragging I’ve barely ever seen any snakes or spiders since I’ve lived here. Went to go outside to lay in the sun and this little fella is by my back door!
I have just relocated it into the bush land behind our house, he/she was friendly. I almost didn’t move to Aus because I was scared of snakes. Look at me now!
Non venomous carpet python.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 03/01/2023 05:29

I have lived in the UK for over thirty years in total, including ten in London. I also did ten years in Ireland before moving to Perth nine years ago. Life here is so much better. The WA economy is booming, our wages are more than double what we would get in the UK. We have a four-bed house with a pool five mins from the beach and an easy commute to the CBD. My power bill is $30 a week as we have solar. Life is very laid back. This is my last day of two weeks Xmas hols, mostly spent between beach bbq and pool, it has been bliss! When I talk to friends back home freezing their tits off and worrying about switching the heating on, it's a bit of a no-brainer really! Oh and as for snakes and spiders, I've never seen a snake outside the zoo, and we get the pest guy out to sort the spiders out every year so no problem there either. Of course, nowhere is perfect, but life here is pretty peachy, and my only regret is that I didn't move here sooner. So if you get a chance, go for it! Just don't expect UK in the sun though, its really isn't!

Els1e · 03/01/2023 05:27

Currently for me, it would be UK. However, if I was in your shoes, I would seriously look into getting a working visa for Oz and going. I spent 7 years in Oz in my 30’s and loved it. But there came a time, when I knew I wanted to return to UK/Europe. Good luck

whinetime89 · 03/01/2023 05:24

It honestly depends what you would move.
I live in Western Australia and also spend 6 months in the UK (London) when I was younger. I loved the hustle and bustle of London life but I hated the UK weather.
I am from the country so missed the grass and open spaces.
The cost of living is relative to increased income here.
There are many many people from the UK in our community and non would go back - the lifestyle, upbringing for children, being by the ocean, outdoor living.

RambamThankyouMam · 03/01/2023 05:21

UK.

Australia is full of racists and poisonous insects/arachnids.

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 05:04

wyntersuhn · 03/01/2023 04:56

We get a flu shot every year and rarely get very sick over winter (I'm a teacher and we have three DC in school, so exposed to lots of viruses). Even if you're sick in winter, you can go outside and sit in the sun, always makes me feel better.

I can’t lie that is extremely appealing. Seasonal illness basically dominates parents lives over here or those with impaired immune systems, it would almost be worth moving just for that. Totally hideous going out in the pissing rain with a chest infection or heavy cold.

As for the spiders, good news, I suppose it’s know they’re ‘out there’ as well as being an actual risk if you see what I mean 😂 I saw a massive spider in Thailand and was literally frozen in fear for a few seconds 😬 it’s ridiculous but like a primal thing, they just scare the willies out of me.

Also sounds great about the health care system and lack of class system.

Ricco12 · 03/01/2023 04:59

My mum emigrated about 20 years ago but returned after 5 years as it wasn't like she thought it would be. She found that they didn't like immigrants and found it hard to fit in. She worked at a hospital, that's how she managed to get in as is a nurse.

wyntersuhn · 03/01/2023 04:56

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 04:46

Sorry me again with more questions 😂 what are the seasonal illnesses like over there? It’s quite routine here to spend most of the winter with a cough or cold, particularly the little ones. Is it the same in Oz?

We get a flu shot every year and rarely get very sick over winter (I'm a teacher and we have three DC in school, so exposed to lots of viruses). Even if you're sick in winter, you can go outside and sit in the sun, always makes me feel better.

wyntersuhn · 03/01/2023 04:53

Aussiegirl123456 · 03/01/2023 04:07

Come to Australia, OP.

We will honestly welcome you with open arms. People here are so friendly and non judgemental. They don’t care what car you drive, what you do for work, how you look or what you own. They will just like you and welcome you if you’re a decent person.

Some of the replies on here are comical. “The weather is disgusting” - pretty ignorant considering Aus is the size of Europe and the weather vastly varies across the country. Some places have snow and some places have sun, some in between. But okayyyyy.

“Insects/wildlife/spiders/snakes will kill you” - literally only ever said by people who’ve never been here. We don’t spend our days trying to survive the native wildlife. In fact, we barely ever see any of those. It’s the bloody magpies you need to watch.

Healthcare - far, far, far superior here. I can get a doctors appointment anywhere in the country within an hour. Free. In England I had to wait six weeks once for an appointment. There are a lot of British GPs in the area I live and we’re close to a lot of the world’s leading health related research universities, so I feel here that medical professionals are more up to date in their knowledge and just seem to take their patients seriously. We also live longer here on average too.

The air is cleaner here. It feels and smells
different. I can’t explain it and I forget about it until I come back to Australia from America or Europe, and then smell that fresh fresh fresh air for a few days. The scenery is just stunning. I still pinch myself everyday seeing how beautiful this country is.

Someone will come along later, if they haven’t already and tell you that Aus has no culture. That’s ignorant and borderline racist. There is a rich indigenous culture in this country, going back thousands and thousands of years. We have galleries and theatres and concerts too, shocking!

The fucking coffee here is like liquid gold. It’s indescribable. Australian’s take their coffee so seriously and, just wow. Never in my life, in all the countries I’ve travelled, have I tasted better coffee. And Melbourne coffee is the best, FYI. I’m in Qld, but can definitely appreciate that beautiful Melbourne coffee!

We swear. Lots. Sometimes as a sign of endearment. This was the most difficult thing for me to get used to, as well as people being just so nice (it appeared fake nice when I first got here).

Lifestyle is outdoors, relaxed and happy. We eat better here. Fruits and veggies in season and just taste better. Less hormones in Aussie meats. Seafood is divine. I catch my own most weeks; oysters, fish, mud crabs.

Cost of living is higher, but bingo, so are the wages. Leisure activities are cheaper.

“TV is shit”. We don’t watch it as we’re living our best lives! In England, when we go back we really notice the obsession with celebrities and sports stars and how a lot of people’s lives are centred around the TV or the local pub. So you can keep your TV channels. Though, shh, we can actually stream UK tv here. Even the BBC. Without a license fee. But we’re usually too busy having fun to bother. In fact, I think we last watched anything on the TV properly about 5 years ago.

Houses here are bigger. My wardrobe here is bigger than my bedroom in England and my laundry room is bigger than our old uk kitchen. We don’t even have a large house by Aussie standards.

Anyway give it a go, you can always go back if you don’t like it. :-)

All of this...especially the best coffee in the world...plus Australian wine, OMG so good! AND you can visit the wineries which makes for amazing holiday experiences. The chocolate is better too.

Taswegian · 03/01/2023 04:53

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 04:40

Can I ask, about the spiders, is it safe for dogs? Do you not worry about them rummaging about in the garden and being bitten? Which is the least spidery part of the country? I think there’s a lot of Australian posters here laughing at Brits without realising just how scared dangerous wildlife/weather actually makes us, it literally isn’t something we ever give a second thought in the U.K. - a bit like school shootings in the US, you know they don’t affect the vast majority of people there but it still seems scary!

Generally speaking, spiders and snakes are very timid here. We bush walk a lot and we just make sure to make some noise as we walk and the snakes will slither away into the bushes. The only time they could be a ‘risk’ is when they are cornered or are unable to get away.
My experience of spiders is the same (though noting I’m in the south so no experience of Sydney Funnel Webs). We have redbacks and white tails etc around the yard (very rarely I’ll come across the latter inside) and they scuttle away very quickly.
I understand the fear though. I’m terrified of the jellies in the Far North!

ShippingNews · 03/01/2023 04:46

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 04:40

Can I ask, about the spiders, is it safe for dogs? Do you not worry about them rummaging about in the garden and being bitten? Which is the least spidery part of the country? I think there’s a lot of Australian posters here laughing at Brits without realising just how scared dangerous wildlife/weather actually makes us, it literally isn’t something we ever give a second thought in the U.K. - a bit like school shootings in the US, you know they don’t affect the vast majority of people there but it still seems scary!

With dogs we give them monthly medication which covers most insect issues. I've had dogs and cats forever and have never had a problem. I do live in the suburbs though. Maybe if you were living in more remote areas, you'd have to check your pets for bites.

Cuppasoupmonster · 03/01/2023 04:46

Sorry me again with more questions 😂 what are the seasonal illnesses like over there? It’s quite routine here to spend most of the winter with a cough or cold, particularly the little ones. Is it the same in Oz?