Would you rather stay in U.K. or aus

Summers might have been 30C every day years and years ago, but the summers in Perth are stifling hot. According to bom.gov.sun the next 7 days will only see Perth CBD getting 1 day of 30C or below! (It’s actually 30C that’s forecast).

January 2022 saw 10 days in Perth CBD below 30C, February 2022 saw 5 days at 30C or below and December 2022 saw 15 days at 30C or below. December 2021, which is when the summer of 2021/2022 started, had 18 days of 30C or above, 5 of those were 40C or above (the hottest day was Boxing Day 43.5C)

There were 32 days of 35C or above (which mainly came in clusters and the heat does build up over days) and in Jan/Feb of 2022 there were 8 days of 40C or above.

Suburbia tends to be hotter than the CBD and whilst there might be wind sometimes to cool things down, it doesn’t seem much cooler when it’s 40C or above.

Comparing the Perth data with Sydney, in 2022, there were 3 days at 30 or above in January and 4 in February. None at 35/40 or above. December 2021 had 3 days of 30 or above, the hottest being 34.9

There is a lot of data online from BOM etc., that you can look at but 30C days for days on end, in December, January and February (the defined “summer” time) aren’t really a thing in Perth and perhaps you got mixed up with Sydney? Or Brisbane which has plenty of 30 and above days but not really many 35 or above days.

I don’t recognise what @FatCatSkinnyRat says about education, either from my own experience or that of people I know. But that’s ok, different countries suit different people and everyone does not have to move here.

It used to be that you have 12 months to start using the visa. My advice would be to apply for the visa before you're too old to and then decide if you want to go. If you have nothing keeping you here, just go, it's only for 12 months - unless you manage to get another visa and stay longer.

Really surprised at the Aus negativity. It's a great place to live, amazing people and opportunities. And definitely a healthier lifestyle.

I agree to an extent. Early childhood and primary education here in Australia is predominantly play or inquiry based. It does sometimes feel that the children aren’t being ‘educated’. It wasn’t until my own children got older that I realised those skills learned in their early education adapted them to become lifelong learners. After finishing secondary education, most Australian children are equal to British children. In fact, my own daughter’s high school have a bridging program with a local university where students achieving a higher ATAR (a level) score are able to begin units of university courses alongside their high school education. My daughter is doing law, and when she finishes year 12 next year, she’s already have completed a year of her law degree. I know there’s likely schools in England that may do the same, but she has been so well supported that she’s found it an absolute breeze with no pressure. This is the same child who was struggling at a British primary school to do the ‘big write’ everyday and struggled with the pressure.

TDLR: Here, there is SO much less pressure on the children. Children are taught inquiry based learning / learn through play rather than didactic.

*taught in both UK and Aus. Aus = less pressure for teachers too but that’s a whole new thread.

And the uk doesn’t hold itself in higher esteem than Australia? @FatCatSkinnyRat . Seems Pretty obvious buy this thread that that is not true.

Yeah I’m in Qld!
I remember when we first moved over and there was a gecko in our house. The children, husband and I followed it with curiosity while being petrified. Now we see them (like on the ceiling while showering sometimes) and we’re just like “oh hey there Borris, apologies for my nakedness”!
Same with monitor lizards and water dragons, we just learn to live alongside nature. Most, if not all, creatures are more scared of us than we are of them. The only things that aren’t are those bloody magpies! We had redback spiders in the brickwork of our old house, outside, we just didn’t pay any attention to them. Could have bought spider spray, but they weren’t doing any harm. Huntsmen spiders kill other spiders so they’re welcome in our home. If the children are too scared of any of them we just scoop them up and put them outside. We barely ever see spiders.

Someone said that barely any Australian’s own their home. That’s a huge myth. Home ownership here is very common and it’s so easy for young people to get on the property ladder here providing you’re not in Sydney CBD. There’s plenty of my old students who are 18/19 who already own a home. Investment properties are also common. So no idea where that poster got his/her information from?

The main difference I find between UK and Aus is that there’s more opportunities here. Home ownership, education, work, social life.

So many posters have commented that Aus is too far away from the rest of the world for holidays. I spent a year and a half travelling around Aus in a caravan with my husband and children. You don’t need to leave Aus to see the most magnificent sites or to experience different cultures. I’ve worked in schools across the outback and have stayed with indigenous communities. I have never ever in my life felt so welcomed wherever I have been. Nobody here gives a shit what car I drive, where I went to school, where I have come from, they judge me on how I treat them. I never ever met a single person like that in the UK. I’ve lived in big cities too and have felt just as welcome. There is so much variety and stories and culture. Yes, I can’t fly to Benidorm in 2 hours, there is that!

Why not give it a go, OP? You only live once and it will be an interesting/exciting experience which you'll learn from even if it isn't a permanent move. I know a few people who've moved out from the U.K. and love it there. I also know a few Aussies here who've chosen to live in the U.K. over Australia. We all like different things. Yes it's isolated from rest of the world but it sounds like there is a vast amount to see within the country itself and if you find life too isolated or hate the weather you can come back. I'm happy in UK and am settled down so I want to be near family. However if id had the opportunity to go live in Australia on a working visa in my younger years I would have done it.

I don't know where you are in the U.K. or your circumstance but that makes such a difference when it comes to living in this country. Some parts of the U.K. are so depressing whilst others are great but the gap between rich and poor seems to grow bigger and bigger at the moment. I live in London which is such an amazing city full of culture, history and opportunities and are many other great places around the U.K. where I could live happily too. However there are lots of places I wouldn't want to live and the general state of politics here is really toxic and depressing and has been getting consistently worse since Brexit. The NHS is in such a mess so if Australia has better healthcare that is a big benefit to gain from a move. I have to say I don't mind that climate here, I went running in the rain today and it was lovely the weather never stops me getting outdoors as that's to do with state of mind.

Give Australia a go and decide for yourself what you prefer.

@Blackheath95 I'm the one who mentioned education. I was born there, educated there, and lived there for the first 23 years of my life, so I expect that qualifies me to comment.

Reminds me of one more thing about Australia/ns - can't take criticism. You're not allowed to say anything is better than it, and there's a constant dialogue in the media about "what people say about us".

I’m genuinely impressed by the level of knowledge about the ins and outs of life in Australia by people who have never even been here or visited once for a week 20 years ago. 🙄. But by all means continue tell us about how we live. How poor our education is, how we don’t go outside for half the year, how we are all walking on tip toes to avoid the wildlife. All you are doing is proving the notion the the uk is full to the brim of people with a chip on their shoulder and a stick up their ass.

Also you don't have to pay for healthcare as the UK has a reciprocal agreement where UK citizens are entitled to Medicare and despite what some people claim it is very possible to find a doctor who bulk bills so there's no gap fee to pay. I don't think the OP is serious though as they haven't been back to reply.

Also, with Australia it's very expensive there. Just your day to day grocery is notably more expensive, and hardly anyone seems to own their own property.

Hardly anyone seems to own their own property?????????

Don’t forget the Drop Bears!!

It really depends what you like. Personally, though I adore sunshine, I loathe the heat. The 2022 summer nearly killed me. I'm also not an outdoorsy kind of person – not mad on the beach, can't ride a horse, terrified of spiders, etc. I also love history, literature, art and architecture. So the UK suits me. It may not be perfect, but it suits me. I love places like Bath, York, Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh, London, etc. I love the layers and layers of cultural history. And I love the way the literature is woven into the landscape (the Yorkshire moors connected with the Brontes, Dorset with Thomas Hardy, London with Dickens, Oxford with Oscar Wilde, Bath with Jane Austen, and so on). I spent the weekend in Oxford, for example, and just happened to pass the pub in which Tolkien met C S Lewis. Someone casually pointed it out to me, as if it was a trivial fact! That's the amazing thing about the UK. The cultural history is so rich that no one has even bothered to put up a sign saying that this was the pub in which Tolkien wrote and recited parts of Lord of the Rings!!

That said, there are lots of things I like about Australia. It's bright, young, full of energy. The people are generally more friendly. The schools and universities are good. It's an amazing place, and I totally see the appeal. For me, the single best thing would be the amount of personal space. The UK is suffocatingly overcrowded.

You in Queensland?
My friend there has them as well as other critters.

UK.

Everyone I know lives here. Well actually I do have a few friends/rellies in Australia but they are as far apart as Melbourne, Perth and Townsville.

Australia is very cut off from the rest of the world.

The summers are hellish, even in temperate Melbourne.

I just can't think why anyone would want to live there - other than a born & bred Aussie of course.

I would love to live in Australia. Spent a couple of years there when I was younger as did my h. We both want to go but it's too late for us as we have children from previous marriages so can't leave really. Go now while you still have the choice. You can always come back if you don't like it (and may have to if you can't sort a permanent visa!)

People move to Perth because of the climate. Summers are 30 degrees every day and not a cloud in the sky. Beaches are amazing as are the coastal walks. Traffic isn’t too bad. Schools are good.

I don’t live there but I get the appeal.

@whytesnow only you can know. It depends on what job you do. Do you know anyone out there already? What about parents in the UK? Could be a great adventure but is there any way you can do it as a year thing? It certainly sounds good, but the grass might not be greener.

I don’t relate to this. I live in London and prefer it due to the diversity and size of city.

Aus is very nice in many ways but for big cities London is up there for me.

I know we’re all different though. People get defensive on both sides, including those in Aus and comments like this. What I like doesn’t have to be what others want - why should it be live and let live I say.

That pretty much sums it up.
Add white to it.
If you like sport and drinking.

Only read a handful of responses, all negative. I have several friends who have settled in Aus and love it. My DH moved there many years ago and hated it, I know I’d happily live there.

Things you need to think about:

Visas - you might get a temporary visa but it’s not that easy to live permanently unless you have either married an Ozzie or in a job in demand that sponsor you to stay there.

Climate - not everywhere in Aus is hot and some of the hot places aren’t somewhere you’d necessarily want to live.

Hospitality - Not everywhere is very welcoming to immigrants and English people. Some areas are great, I’d join some ex-pat forums and find the right places to look at. A friend of mine looked into a police recruitment drive, he would have had to reduce ranks but then found out a lot of British cops returned due to bullying so passed on it.

Cost of living - you won’t be entitled to any benefits, will have to pay for health care. Most decent jobs will pay enough to cover basic living but if you loose your job you’d be screwed.

It sounds like your keen for a change, I would definitely do it, I did it many years ago, just not Aus, no regrets, it was a great adventure. I’ve been to Aus a few times, it’s definitely a great place, loads to see, do and enjoy. My all time favourite thing about Aus (other than the wine) is the food, absolutely amazing culinary experience, so much variety and so fresh.

Go for it, even if it’s just a year waiting tables and travelling, enjoy yourself.

Oh the middle classes in England love to think they’re the most enlightened, multicultural, renaissance people in the world. They only want to live in white areas, though.

I find it so odd that people will be so vitriolic about another country when their own is on its knees.

It’s the fake cockney accent that grates on me.No true born cockney speaks like Danny Dyer,awful fake accent..

Definitely Australia. Life in GB is increasingly tough and with little quality in goods or services.
I'm encouraging my DC’s to go and live abroad, if they can. Make the most of their lives.