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My child has changed first name and I'm grieving

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ElephantsAlltheWayDown · 06/09/2020 09:14

For clarity I'm going to use DC's birth pronouns here.

When DD was born I gave her a lovely first name -- the best first name I had ever heard and one I had been saving for a daughter ever since I came across it. It's unusual but not "out there", and has a lot of meaning to me and in general just sounds really lovely.

Last year she came out as a trans boy (along with her entire female peer group, but that's another story). She's struggled with her identity as trans and has questioned whether she really is many times, so I don't think it's likely to stick long term.

Yesterday we were chatting and she said that even if she detransitions she's not going to use her given name again because "it's just not her".

This seems like such a minor issue but it's hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm really gutted (for the record, I didn't tell her this). Am I being unreasonable to feel this way? It's her name after all. I feel like something has been taken away from me, which seems self centred, really. How do I grieve this and move past it?

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SionnachRua · 06/09/2020 10:51

@BubblyBarbara

A name is the biggest gift you can give your child but it sounds like your son has used it for many years and is now moving beyond. He can’t be expected to keep a feminine name.
This is a very valid point and as we all know, names carry so much baggage with them. Just look at the baby names board for examples. Naming someone does involve making certain statements on their behalf.

If someone feels that a name doesn't fit them - for whatever reason - then surely a name change is a good response? Maybe they'll become more widespread in the future.

Malahaha · 06/09/2020 10:48

Why is becoming vegetarian in any way worrying? I realise it can be a hassle for some parents re cooking, but worrying?

Re the OP: when I was about 9 I also wanted a boy's name and got my mum to add a middle name to my birth certificate, a name that could be shortened to a boy's name. Everybody called me that name, even at school, for many years. Then I changed my mind and reverted to my original name. Thank goodness, trans wasn't a thing at that time and nobody thought I was actually a boy. I just wanted to have more adventures and not play with dolls.

As long as there is no medical intervention, I think it's OK to accept the name and play along, not make a fuss. Wishing you all the best, OP!

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2020 10:47

I always use the pronouns a person wishes me to use about them. OP says he might detransition which I fully respect and in that case I'd use she/her.

You've absolutely no idea what the OP's daughter wishes. How bloody rude and virtue signalling.

OP. my sympathies. I wonder if you could take the name yourself, somehow? It is clearly meaningful for you.

I've never felt happy about choosing my children's names. I really think I would be delighted if they chose their own at some point, something they had grown into or found for themselves. In reality, we all often end up with many names over a lifetime, some of them for different situations. And some of them chosen!

Duemarch2021 · 06/09/2020 10:45

Oh no, I think a lot of young people these days see it as "fashion" to change their gender unfortunately. I don't mean all.. but what are the chances of an entire friendship group trully wishing to change. It sounds like shes unsure and just doing it to fit in for now but maybe shes struggling to find herself and this is why she is feeling she wishes to change her name. Maybe she's wanting control over something as she feels she not in control. It sounds like shes struggling with identity and unhappy with who she is.. could she see a councillor? Maybe she simply doesn't like her given name.. but id refrain from changing it by depol for now and just call her the preferred name whilst using given name on paperwork until shes worked things out...i actually had a friend who did this and eventually she started using her given name again when she was an adult x

DidoAtTheLido · 06/09/2020 10:43

A name is the biggest gift you can give your child

Really?

DidoAtTheLido · 06/09/2020 10:42

“One sees it with Anorexia and in a far less worrying way, becoming vegetarian

WTAF. Anorexia is not a fucking 'fad' “

Agreed, Anorexia is a very serious illness.

However, there are girls schools (in particular) where eating disorders appear to be to some extent influenced amongst groups.

I live close to 2 high performing, arguably higher pressure, private girls schools. In one there is a high incidence of eating disorders, in the other a high incidence of self harm. Both acknowledged by the respective schools who are looking to tackle it.

It’s not right to call it a fad, but the role of peer influence should not be dismissed.

BubblyBarbara · 06/09/2020 10:41

A name is the biggest gift you can give your child but it sounds like your son has used it for many years and is now moving beyond. He can’t be expected to keep a feminine name.

midgebabe · 06/09/2020 10:38

I think fad was a very bad word, it implies some choice , but social contagion / influencing /reaction is present in Anorexia as well as trans identification

Daphnise · 06/09/2020 10:38

It does seem this name is all about you, and although it may be hurtful it's not now your choice, it was years ago, but no longer.

People do change names for various reasons.

I have a relative who changed name, but I continue to think of them only be the old name, and refer to them as such among others, but as they have been very specific, and it seems pointless to cause offence, would only call them by the new name.

ChristmasinJune · 06/09/2020 10:35

YANBU to feel sad and hurt and to grieve for the name you chose so carefully when your dd was born. If you had said that you were trying to persuade them to keep it now I'd have said I understood but YABU. At the end of the day all of this is your DC choice and your best course of action is to support and advise without putting them under further pressure. They sound very confused at the moment.
Without pressure and bad feeling around it, you may well find that they revert to their original name once they have explored and are more secure about who they are.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 06/09/2020 10:34

@Yaottie

By rejecting her name she's not rejecting you - she may feel that she just doesn't fit her name especially if it's a "girly" one and she's struggling with her identity anyway
This basically

You are not being unreasonable

Viviennemary · 06/09/2020 10:34

I wouldn't be pleased either. I wouldn't let a child change his/her first name for whatever reason. When they're older they can do what they like. The trans issue is different. I don't know how I'd deal with that. I wouldn't allow medication.

HermioneGranger20 · 06/09/2020 10:30

YANBU OP. There are 4 kids I know of in my son's school all transitioning. 3 girls to boys and one boy to girl. 2 of them are siblings. I've wondered if it's just a trend at the school but who knows. I personally would be upset if my child got rid of his name.

Malahaha · 06/09/2020 10:28

Nope, I meant what I said. I always use the pronouns a person wishes me to use about them. OP says he might detransition which I fully respect and in that case I'd use she/her.

Is the OPs DC reading this thread, then, that you feel you have to comply, so as not to hurt their feelings? I feel more inclined to comply with the OPs correct use of pronouns. Otherwise we are all just unnecessarily pandering to someone who isn't even present. If they ARE reading, it's a different matter. Perhaps.

mallowa · 06/09/2020 10:28

A lot of young people don't like their name until they get a lot older. It's only when you're older you appreciate unique names. This is particularly the case with unusual names. Maybe in 20s they will grow to like it more. I'm sure they will change their mind in time.

ChickenwingChickenwing · 06/09/2020 10:28

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oakleaffy · 06/09/2020 10:24

Khalil Gibran is the Author of these 'poems'...It comes from a slim book called

''The Prophet'' , easily available.

He wrote on many life issues.

ElephantsAlltheWayDown · 06/09/2020 10:19

@Igglepigglesgrubbyblanket

Absolutely not unreasonable to feel sad. I can imagine how destabilising the whole thing must feel. Motherhood is painful. I have a friend who has transitioned and changed their name and the change is really important to them but a site of conflict with already quite estranged parents. The more the parents push against it the worse the situation seems to get. I'm reminded of this poem which might help or might not.

On Children

And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, Speak to us of Children.
And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

 You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
 For they have their own thoughts.
 You may house their bodies but not their souls,
 For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
 You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
 For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
 You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
 The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
 Let your bending in the archer’s hand be for gladness;
 For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.

Kahlil Gibran

This is so lovely, thank you.
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sashh · 06/09/2020 10:18

I chopped my name down as a teen and eventually dropped the long name because I wanted the same name on my passport as my driving licence, oh and the 'long' version had a 'Unique' spelling.

I'd spent years correcting people on how to spell my name and it didn't feel like me. My mother very much treated me as a possession (I'm not saying this is you) and that long name just reiterated it to me.

Only 1 person still uses that long name, my shortened name feel like me. Oh and I dropped the middle name too.

Advicewouldbeappreciated · 06/09/2020 10:17

Likely it will change back. It seems to be a trend at secondary school. Try noy to panic

oakleaffy · 06/09/2020 10:15

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WiserOlder · 06/09/2020 10:13

A lot to contend with, for you. I know it's obviously challenging for her too but this is a lot for a mother to face as well. Be kind to yourself. Wine

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 06/09/2020 10:11

In the end OP, your child is still your child, regardless of what they call themselves or how they present themselves to the world. Hold on to that - the rest is just superficial (even though it's difficult, they are still themselves underneath it all )

Somethingkindaoooo · 06/09/2020 10:11

For those arguing over pronoun usage, go to one of the zillion other threads about exactly that.

OP - yes, it would be tough, and I would be upset too.
Just keep supporting her, and see where the chips fall.

I hate my name, and wish I would have changed it...

NameChange84 · 06/09/2020 10:09

Oooooops I’m sorry OP have reported my own post as it was meant for a different thread!