To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

We need to stop marginalizing women as they age ... the reason so many women strive to look like they're not aging, which just makes them instead look freakish and plastic with no facial expressions. sad.

I have tear trough fillers done, not to be beautiful (I never have been beautiful and never will be and even less so now I am in my late 50s!). I have no need to look beautiful in my work, I don't care if I look like I am aging because I am, and my DH loves me and fancies as I am. But I have (genetically) terrible dark rings under my eyes and I grew so tired of hearing, as I went into work feeling fine, after a good night's sleep, thinking I looked perfectly good, "oh my God, Cat, you look sooooo tired, are you are OK?", "oh you poor thing you look so exhausted!" etc etc every day....

Thing is CZJ had a delicate exotic beauty..very hard to authenticate with plastic surgery..shes just going to end up looking generic

If you surround yourself with other people like you though, you get a skewed view of what is 'normal’

I thought exactly this when I watched the Friends Reunion. All but one or two of the Friends appear to have had fairly extensive work done and I suppose if you live in Beverly Hills or Malibu surrounded by people who’ve also had work done, you lose sight of how it actually looks. It certainly never seems to make people look younger, which I assume is the main purpose of having it done.

On the ones that look better, you don't know they've had it

No seriously, I think the insane filler/caricature-looking trend looks terrible, but at the end of the day who am I to tell an adult what to do with their face? If you think plastic surgery should be legal at all, ever, you immediately enter 'but where do you draw the line' territory, and if someone can pay for it and considers it an acceptable risk, well, its their face.

I knew I was getting old though when I looked out at a lecture hall full of 20 year olds right before Covid and thought 'bloody hell, how am I supposed to tell you apart?!' It's makeup, mostly. I think.

I think it's very easy to get hooked.
I have breast implants and lip filler and found myself looking into Botox the other day. I know I don't need it I've only just turned 30 and still get ID,d for energy drinks But everything is so easily accessible, once one thing is "fixed" it's easy to start looking for something else.
I'm stopping now though. But my boobs and lips do look amazing

Jennifer Grey (baby from Dirth Dancing) actually said once that getting a nose job/surgery ruined her career

Grey's career never took anyway though, yes she had dd in 87 but she did bugger all after and she got the surgery 5 years later in 92 so it made no difference as in them 5 years she didn't get any big roles. She was a 1 hit wonder really.

I agree with pp about the blow up doll look. So depressing.
I don't know why having lines or daring to age is so problematic.

Is it a case of people not being honest then? Would you really say to a friend they look awful? What the hell have you done to yourself? It's sad, most who have it done, think they look better, those viewing the results, think they look awful, but obviously no-one is telling them the truth.

Its the lip fillers. the side profile where they look like one of the cast from Finding Nemo. and from the front the shadow line above the lip they are really obvious.
Its like the current beauty standard is ' Blow up doll' Its horrible and objectifying.

I saw a video of Nigella last week and she's obviously had something done - I think cheek fillers as it looks a bit odd under the eyes. Lovely in a photo but just... off when the face is moving.

Such a shame, she's an incredibly beautiful woman and it would be lovely to see her age naturally.

I quite agree, op. It seems to be doubling when really young people who are already extremely presentable, start messing about with their faces. It is so obvious too.

Felicity Kendal. Not good, that weird puppet mouth thing.
I've a friend who gets Botox, she says she looks better, but she doesn't. Her lovely face has fewer lines, but it looks a bit mask like.

I'm amazed how ordinary lasses afford their physical upkeep. Country must be sinking in debt

it's cos the days of buying houses are over for many, they have given up on it as the prices are too high and they just spend the cash as they get it.

I have fillers and Botox, although I appreciate this isn’t plastic surgery as such, but I know I look better for it. . It’s just making sure you don’t go that extra bit with it where it can make things look fake and over stretched. Everything in moderation. Sometimes I think, maybe that extra bit of botox, but then reign myself in. It can be very addictive.

I don't know if anyone else watches Selling Sunset but I'm quite saddened to see what Mary Fitzgerald has done to her face.
They are clearly all well into the botox and fillers as it's a very glitzy look but she had a lovely ethereal look and now she looks so overfilled as to be unrecognisable.

I remember watching the programmes on Jade Goody - the difference between the young women on Big Brother then and the women on Love Island now is just incredible. The women then looked so much younger, too. There's something about all those procedures that can make women look like they're middle-aged.

We seem to have regressed to women being valued for their looks above all else, along with very warped beauty standards pushed by plastic surgeons

It's very much like that for men too though I find these days.

Sharon Osbourne looks bloody fantastic.
CZJ has just pushed it too far unfortunately and is starting to look odd.

People need to know when to stop and not do that weird lip and cheek thing.