To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

There has been a strange Kardashianisation of beauty standards. So many minor celebs and Instagram models look almost identical.

Tori Spelling has had a little (!) work done and now looks like a clone of Khloe Kardashian. It's so weird.

I think the older women who look fantastic have had face lifts - probably a few over the years. Tightening the jaw line goes a long way to looking more youthful, and you keep the natural contours of the face. Leaving some wrinkles around the eyes is attractive, no 70 year old has a naturally smooth face. It also helps to use extremely good skincare, have regular facials and eat fabulous quality food (all costing £££).

Fillers look almost universally odd. They distort what people know your face looks like, so are very noticeable. They can be done in tiny quantities to even out features - and I think they can look fantastic then - but to plump or firm skin, no.

I absolutely hate the current trend for everyone to look the same. I wish we could start teaching everyone that they are unique and beautiful just as they are, and to love the skin they are in.

I remember reading a few years back that Helen Mirren said that having eyebrows tattooed on made a huge difference to her appearance.

Nicole Kidman has definitely overdone it.

Agree with op but men are subject to this pressure too. Am a big fan of the late Pete Burns - a truly beautiful man but for many reasons changed his appearance almost beyond recognition.

[quote BigWoollyJumpers]Helen Mirren : I don't think she has had anything done.

Google her "without make-up". She just has very good make-up, and hair stylists. I follow her on Instagram, and she is very good at putting up pictures of what she looks like in the morning. And she does look every year of her 76 years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/make-up/selfie-reason-helen-mirren-empowering-beauty-influencer-women/[/quote]
She looks fantastic but she's had a facelift.

When you're used to every person on the street or in the restaurant turning to look at you because you're such a knockout it must be hard to see that start to slip away.

I was looking at a photo of Jane Seymour yesterday and she looks amazing. No doubt she's had things done, perhaps a little face lift but she hasn't gone too far and the ironically the fact she's left some wrinkles, hasn't tried to smooth everything out, makes her seem far more youthful than her peers who have gone for the max.

I'm not surprised it happens. Imagine what it's like being famous? If you are someone who is pegged as being beautiful, it's bad enough with the emphasis that is put on that fact when you're unknown. Your self worth can end up tied to it and people constantly commenting on your appearance from your teens onwards makes it feel like something far more important than it is, even more so if you're aware that you are experiencing favourable treatment because of it. Then as you get older or have a few health problems or get less sleep, experience stress and any of the other things that can affect your appearance people feel the need to mention that too. Anyone who has had people drawing attention to their appearance either positively or negatively, imagine when that's across social media platforms, discussed on TV, in newspapers? We've created this culture that drives people, especially women, to alter themselves, sadly in some cases to the point of being unrecognisable.

I thought Kate winslet looked beautifully real and natural in mare of easttown - you could lose yourself in the drama and believe in her character whereas with Nicole Kidman in the thing with Hugh grant, she was still extremely beautiful but to the detriment of her acting because her face didn’t move enough, and it was distracting.

I do think if your craft is acting, having a full set of facial expressions to convey emotion is more important than trying to be cast in the same role that you were playing 15 years ago. Perhaps the issue is a dearth of lead female roles over the age of 35? Not so sure about musicians/pop stars but probably the same problem.

Helen Mirren : I don't think she has had anything done.

Google her "without make-up". She just has very good make-up, and hair stylists. I follow her on Instagram, and she is very good at putting up pictures of what she looks like in the morning. And she does look every year of her 76 years.

www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/make-up/selfie-reason-helen-mirren-empowering-beauty-influencer-women/

Gillian Anderson - saw Sex Education on tv recently , she looks amazing.
DH binged The XFiles (there's a LOT of it ) she did look diffferent , not vastly different . She looks more polished now , refined . Maybe the blonder hair ?
DH said she had a nose job but not sure if anything else ?

The ladies who started later do look better than the younger starters.

I'm not sure what or if J.Lo or Amanda Holden has had work to mention a few fine fifty's but they look great.

I was having a discussion with friends about this just this week.

One of them commented that back in the day plastic surgery and procedures were something you did with utmost discretion, or in secret. The idea being to feign the outcome as your natural self. Admitting to 'work' would be a real no-no.

Now it's the opposite. The whole point is that the work is noticeable. Inflated lips, puffy filler, the ubiquity of immobile botoxed faces and tattooed eyebrows. The reality-clone look is aspirational to a whole generation of women who aren't really old enough for this to be about ageing.

It's seen as a fashion choice, a social marker, like a carrying a certain handbag or wearing a particular brand of shoes. Its conforming and competitive.

I just find the results, a cohort of insta-bot women identical to the eye and all looking a vague mid-30ish whether they are 18 or 25 or 30, a bit dystopian.

I suppose it just goes to show how much pressure they're under. Most women on tv and in movies know that their looks are part of why they are employed, and are terrified to lose their career. What alway bugs me is the daytime tv duo of old/ grey/ fat bloke with young slim glamorous woman. There rarely seems to be an equivalent women who can let their grey hair show, let their gut hang out - they'd be replaced in no time!

I've seen Nigella up close at a book signing and she does look a bit ridiculous now, from about 30 feet away she looked amazing, but up close her cheeks are so puffy, shiny forehead and her eyes are now small and squinty.

And to whoever mentioned Helen Mirren as some sort of example of non-surgical ageing , the difference is she has had subtle work done, and looks more natural than some.
She has left some wrinkles around her eyes, but most 65 year old women don't have jawlines like that. I'm 37 and barely have a jawline like that!

I thought the second picture was Spitting Image puppets . . . then realised that it wasn't.

That's horrific!

@Lippy1234 I agree, Kris Jenner looks amazing!

I agree about Felicity Kendall. She had a face that would always be pretty and interesting in to old age. What she has had done is hard to look at, it's sad. And Nicole Kidman looks as if she has been embalmed. But, ageing is difficult, for all of us, so much more so if your face is what largely defines you.

If you were more happy and fulfilled in your own life, you wouldn't feel the need to criticize other women.
Sounds like a fridge magnet. Women as individuals are our worst critics, we mostly judge ourselves.
I have botox twice a year it isn't for anyone but myself I'd like to have it every quarter but if I had unlimited finances I'd probably look like Sylvester Stallone.
As a similar age to Michelle heaton and her era of pals I'm bloody delighted I'm not rich, I look far better having had my first botox at 37.
They look 50.
I believe maintenance is fine.
To all the younger woman hold out until you need it, you're beautiful more than you realise.

Their body, their choice. These women feel like they want to try and preserve their good looks because there is so much focus on their beauty. They face criticism whether they decide to age naturally or have cosmetic surgery. I was reading a thing earlier about Ellen Pompeo and so many criticised how 'much she has aged' over the course of Grey's Anatomy. I mean, it has been running for 16 years and she was 36 when it started, of course she has aged. Women simply cannot win. Let's stop criticising them, whether they do or don't choose cosmetic surgery.

It must be hard when you are in the public eye the way they are, but even so - surely they see what other women have done to themselves and think "Not for me"?

I don't think Diana Rigg had anything done, an she remained beautiful into her 80's.

I also always found it odd that people (always always women) think it necessary to tell someone they looked exhausted. What could be the possible benefit? If the person is actually exhausted telling them that they look it is of no help, and if they, like me, are not exhausted, then it just makes them feel like crap when they were feeling fine.

However, in a way I am glad they made those comments because it spurred me to get the fillers, which do actually make me look and feel better. (I still think of those women as bitches though!)

Whenever I see Charlotte Rampling, I still admire her looks-elegant but not desperate. My friend’s got fillers and Botox and she looks lovely when her face is still, but something looks off when she talks. For myself, I used to be far more interested in looking good when I was young and still like to brush up if I have to. Am happy with hair dye and make up-but decided to draw the line at anything going under the skin. Can’t help thinking that CZJ and CV would look far better if they had stopped there. They would still be beautiful older women, now they look like jokes.

This entire thread is sad.
If you were more happy and fulfilled in your own life, you wouldn't feel the need to criticize other women.