To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

I think CZJ looks finne. If she had aged normally we'd be slagging her off too.

That was in response to the poster earlier on the thread

What a load of absolute bs so only the riff raff have overblown lips and eyebrows what rubbish you talk how do you even know everyones financial and personal circumstances

There's a difference between maintenance surgery and body dysmorphia too.
Katie Price is extreme on her body with surgical treatments she resembles Jessica Alves now, another person who has went way too far.

Point is plastic surgery won't stop aging without good genes.

It won’t stop ageing full stop. Nothing can. That’s why it starts to look strange after a while.

@GrumpyTerrier - As an aside, I don't believe there are any women celebs over 40 who havent had anything one. It is completely the culture in that world.

Kathleen Turner is on record as saying, "Faye Dunaway once told me that if I did not start plastic surgery by the time I was 40, it would be too late. And I said, 'Well fine, I won't do it then.' I don't want to be a Cher, where my face never changes or moves."

She's late 60s now and looks as she should. But here's the thing; she still sounds like the sexiest woman imaginable and her interviews are insightful, witty and interesting.

I saw Hayley Mills on TV yesterday and she looks wonderful at 75 - clearly has had a facelift (and naturally has amazing bone structure to hang it off) but has left enough jowl-i-ness and movement to look natural. A really good balance.
(but maybe that only works if you're naturally great looking in a certain way?)

It's the filler people go for around the lips and mouth which looks the most odd. Once once your lips can't move in a natural way, everything starts to look strange......

*on men, not no men.

It's very sad she (CZJ) felt she needed cosmetic surgery. I'm not surprised - women are under huge pressure to stay young. Sadly society has changed in the wrong direction and now pressure is no men too.

She would have undoubtedly aged magnificently. Her mother is stunning and is must in her 70s

It's only bad plastic surgery that wrecks faces, and all the fillers, botox and stuff is even worse.

Nina Myskow has been having surgery since at least the early 1990s. And she looks like Helen Mirren etc - 'ageing gracefully', 'haven't had anything done'

I knew her first surgeon - brilliant, a complete master of his art. You don't see the best plastic surgery. That's the point.

Nobody has batted an eyelid about the amount of work Michael Douglas has had done.
He wasted his money, he looks no better than the average man at 76 years old, probably looking worse.
Point is plastic surgery won't stop aging without good genes.

To the person who said fillers look odd, tear trough ones really really don't if they are done right.

No that's not why.

It is why.

6 pages of women bashing other women for their looks. That'd be why.

Yep, with the odd Simon cowell thrown in for good measure.

Nobody has batted an eyelid about the amount of work Michael Douglas has had done, but Hello magazine post a picture of them both and the headline is CZJ is “age defying”

Men have fallen into the trap too.
All the money spent on Simon Cowell he looks like shit, his lungs are fecked too he'd have better spending his money on nicotine replacement products, lots of male actors look strange after cosmetic work.

I would love to know where Nigella goes, she looks amazing, not ‘done’ at all

@Greystray totally agree, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I hope that after having all the work done that it actually does make them feel better in themselves, or feel that they look better? I fear that it doesn’t though as they seem to never know when to stop.

The more normalised that having procedures becomes, the more others feel under pressure to do the same. They’re actually adding to the pressure that society puts on women to look good.

It’s going to take a massive shift in attitudes of men and women and the media, tv, film industry etc to even start to slow this down or reverse it, and I do worry about the future for my daughters.

Basically as others have said, until less value is put on the way women look and more value is put on character, intelligence, actions etc this will continue...

I think its worse when the younger ones in their 20’s, early 30’s start with fillers. In your 40’s that’s generally when the ageing process starts to really show so it’s understandable people want to try to hold on to it.

It’s when the youngest ones do it when there’s no sign of ageing in the first place.

And that trout pout look I just find is so unattractive. They literally look like clones of each other. I understand those that have thin lips wanting to try a little filler to fill them out a bit, but many if the girls ha e perfectly full lips to start with and have fillers to achieve that trout pout look.

It’s a big like women with small breast who have implants to make them feel better about they or small boobs. They have them to look natural. Then you get the ones that have descendant size boobs but actively want them to look false….

Fashion is a funny thing….

Filler face is just awful. Women end up looking like puffy drag queens. And so do some men, but women seem to start ruining their faces much earlier. I saw some pics of Megan Fox recently and she's joined the plastic frozen face club.

But then I suppose in doing all this stuff they're actively trying to avoid criticism. It is a bit sad. Sites like the Daily Fail delight in getting candid pics of a female celeb out without makeup and printing a dog whistle headline like "X shows off her bare faced beauty" then standing back for the "She thinks she's beautiful? She looks like Golem!" comments to flood in. I suppose they're fucked either way.

I am sad that so many woman (and to a lesser degree men) of all ages feel such pressure to change their physical look. I don't like 'fake' whether it be boobs, nails, eyelashes, eyebrows let alone all the pouting fish lips and hard, wooden faces.

My DH feels the same thank goodness although if he didn't he could jog on.

Cheryl Cole looks pillowy and rubbery now and many women are starting to look the same.
I’m pretty average looking and thus have little to lose by aging. It’s probably worse if you’re considered a great beauty when you’re younger-aging probably terrifies you