To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

It’s all about scale and being realistic about what you want to achieve - you only note the cases where it’s overdone and results in the awful Instagram look or a change of appearance. I have Botox done twice a year ( rather than the recommended 3months) by a great doctor. I’ve had HIFU - which encourages your own collagen to reboost over a 3 month period and I have a peel every 6 weeks. I don’t look different but my skin is fresh for my age (late 50s) probably smoother than it was 10 years ago and my jawline is quite well defined. I get lots of compliments on my skin. I still have lots of expression but that’s because I haven’t opted for the shiny dome head and I’m not trying to look younger just the best version of myself. I think fillers are pretty awful if they are noticeable.

Abs may have not been the household name she is now but she was known

And she was certainly always considered a very very attractive woman very sensual (which has little to do with looks)

I wouldn’t put her in the same category as Sharon Osborne who had sugary very early on (and had never had what HM has)

Her IMD shows small parts and classical- most people didn't (and still dont) watch Shakespeare.

Prime Suspect was massive, back when people watched TV and the content of the next episode were not leaked.

Some people just age better than others. I swear I look older than my mil. And my eldest sister (14 years older than me until recently looked really young)

*Helen Mirren

Helen Morton was famous long before Prime Suspect

She was always very sultry not necessarily considered a beauty but certainly very very attractive

She is an actress her role in Prime Suspect was that of a women who had to fight to the top of her tough profession and was an alcoholic she wasn’t playing the sex kitten (thankfully)

I think she may have had sown work down but had not over done it

Susan Sarandon is another one who looks great without looking obviously “done”.

Has Helen mirren had stuff done? She looks pretty much how she should when aging really, maybe stuff on her neck or maybe just has genes the rest of us would kill for. Can't actually see the underside of her neck in pictures though so hard to tell.

The rest of them look awful. Cheryl looks like a doll (her excuse was brilliant though), czj is starting to look like her husband, Renee and Courtney are plastic and Sharon does not look beautiful, she looks fake as hell. Don't get me started on Simon.

It's a shame any of them felt they needed it though. No one of them did, all beautiful in their own way. Not sure I agree with another poster though who says we'd kill to look like them regardless. Obviously I would kill to look like czj when she was younger, but now? No. She was stunning when younger.

The thing with Courtney Cox was that she aged prematurely as she got skinnier as Friends went on. She would have looked much better with a little more weight on her.

@RuffleCrow that’s so true it should be about our character. I’m going to remember that myself when I’m feeling a little insecure about aging

I have a friend who was literally the most breathtakingly gorgeous human I'd ever seen. And then she hit 40 and started with botox and fillers and now, at 48, looks much older solely for the reason she looks like she's had work done so it's aging. And the sad part is, she'd have looked so much younger right now if she'd just left her face alone.

"Yup - when you’ve had the face of a mule all your life, you don’t approach the ravages of ageing with the same panic of a glamour puss."

I identify strongly with this statement!

It is a shame, but it's also a shame that there are whole threads about how people look and whether or not they are beautiful. It's all subjective.

Just googled the poor girl further and all the articles coming up are about how much she weighs. No wonder she's ended up doing that to her face to try and find acceptance somehow......

I actually think CZJ looks amazing for her age despite the obvious surgery!

But I totally agree with all the comment about the younger people having fillers etc - I'd never heard of Frankie Essex before but she was speaking on a programme that was on earlier, and her face looks downright odd and strangely puffed up. I looked her up and she's only 33 - surely she'd look better without all those fillers? This is one of the better photos I found of her!

Came on to say Christie Brinkley. She looks amazing.

Not sure what CZJ has done, she was one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen when she was in DBOM. Absolutely classic

And Michelle! Looks like a Kardashian now

Frankie Sims was stunning prior to surgery.

I do find that some people get plastic surgery and I don’t personally find it aesthetically pleasing. You’re not unreasonable in thinking that.

However, grain of salt input here, at the end of the day it’s their face, their body, their choice, and it’s not hurting anyone else. So I say live and let live. I might say inwardly “okay, that look is too much for me” but I’m also going to say “you do you, it’s your life.” As long as you don’t judge them based on appearances or try to voice/force your opinion on them, then it’s personally reasonable to do an inward cringe because it’s simply not your taste.

I really like the recent snippet of the old interview between Oprah and Dolly Parton regarding her plastic surgeries that’s been circling the media lately. Dolly had a good attitude and a sense of humor about some really rude questions.

Jane Seymour is another one. Obviously had lots of work done but can still see some wrinkles, so looks natural (plus what must be top plastic surgeons). Thick hair (wig?) helps too.

I flew on the same airplane as her about 30 years ago and she seemed to glow with beauty. Doesn't really come across on the screen IMO.

Yes, Helen Mirren looks her age and good with it. Not sure if or what she has had done, but she has plenty of wrinkles on show. She has always been beautiful and her face has character, but she also has bags of confidence and that is attractive too.

Google Helen mirren in Venice this week
My mother is 80 and has had no work and has many less wrinkles etc not sure what Helen us meant to have done but she looks like most of my mother’s friends

I guess the best book to read on the sibject is the beauty myth by Naomi Woolf.

I wouldn’t. I admire women in the public eye who age gracefully. I do understand that if your face is your fortune it must be terrifying to feel you are losing it. But that doesn’t explain why beautiful women in their 20s and 30s dislike their looks enough to have surgery.