To think that a lot of genuinely beautiful people ruin themselves with plastic surgery etc?

She is a nasty woman, she lies about her age, denies having any plastic in her face or body. She’s had numerous husbands, they last long.

Sad, sad, sad.

My apologies, @Classica - I misread.

Tori Spelling on the left, Khloe Kardashian on the right.

Think Jocelyn definitely wins the prize! Oh my good God!

I haven’t read the full thread, but whenever I hear about plastic surgery gone wrong, I always think about this woman, Jocelyn Wildenstein of NYC, who did this to herself purposely — because she wanted to look more feline. She’s called the Cat Woman.

Janice Dickenson...!

You also have to appreciate that most official shots are doctored or people are filmed through a pair of 100 denier tights.

Madonna without a filter is…. sinewy. Yet photos show a dewy complexion and no leathery limbs.

Body hair - well that is down to ethnicity to a certain extent and it’s good that superfluous hair (as it used to be coyly termed) is not a shameful secret any longer. I know when I was a teen people would deny shaving their legs and say, “Oh, I’m lucky, I have really fine hair everywhere.” And I believed them and thought I was a freaky gorilla

“ Annnnd-- you can only tell when you can tell. Otherwise, people just look good.”
No, I disagree you can always tell. Some look better than others, but you can always tell in real life.
Some look good with it, others don’t. I think little tweaks as you age, or if you are unhappy are fine. These duck lip fillers look awful, have a little by all means but don’t go OTT. Some young women just have too much, too young.

Courtney Cox, CZJ, MK, entire cast of Towie, etc it’s just too much. I think Jen An looks pretty good, but I wonder what she looks like in real life.

Goldie Hawn and Jane Fonda look great, but both are extremely fit, I think that has a lot to do with retaining youth (even though both have had work). Helen Mirren and Judi Dench also look great.

She became a household name then, before that she was someone who most people would say they recognised but couldn't name. She was an RSC/theatre actor with an odd screen and tv part

I certainly knew who Helen Mirren was long before Prime Suspect. I particularly remember her in the Long Good Friday (I think her first big screen role?) among others. Men of a certain age REALLY remember her in Excalibur.

She was generally described as sexy when she was younger, and much more recently too, and always been considered extremely attractive. She has been quite vocal in finding this irritating.

Donna Versace

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer I shave too around my chin.
My nieces and friends are 17 shaving for a smooth look, I think they're very young it is only fluff they'll look like chewbacca without shaving for 60 years.
I've a packed with my Dsis's if I lose body control they've to shave me or I'll grow a beard

Perhaps when people first have work done on their faces it looks quite nice. But after time the effect fades and the temptation is to keep repeating the process. Meanwhile, they get used to seeing how their face looks in the mirror and, unlike those around them, do not notice that they are starting to look a bit odd. So it goes on until, potentially, people end up looking very strange indeed.

It seems to me that some plastic surgeons have a sort of template for how a person, and particularly a woman, should look, and so everyone ends up looking very similar and quite characterless. A bit like hairdressers who have perfected a new hairstyle and who encourage their clients to have that hairstyle.

That…not thats!

See thats how stressed i am at the idea

Ooooooo not my eyebrows though!!!

Thats would be bad

Lots of younger ladies have started shaving their face forehead to chin.

Also, these women have no shortage of money and time to spend on these 'treatments'. So probably the temptation is to think, oh why not another round of Botox? How about a chin implant? Maybe some buccal fat removal (Google it!) too? That will be the magic 'treatment' which makes them look like their former selves again. Except, of course, it isn't.

Is it that people don’t know when to stop? A good facelift is obviously a godsend (I need one!) but then it’s the lips, the eyes, the brow lift, the sparkly teeth…. And soon everyone starts to look very weird indeed. Although perhaps if you move in such circles you are the odd one out if you aren’t plasticised.

Btw, Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban! I hope they don’t too near some candles or else they’ll melt!

My point is that getting 'work' done in itself isn't going to extend your career or buy back your youthful beauty. Hollywood is incredibly competitive, especially for women.

The women on your list (julianne Moore, Susan Sarandon etc) do indeed look great, but they have all had work.

Additionally (know this for a FACT -ha!) they all wear hair “fillers” to give volume.

Celebrities are very disingenuous about their appearance and all claim that you get wrinkle-free, sag-free skin and voluminous hair at 55 by drinking water and doing a bit of Pilates.

One thing I wonder…. Do men (rock stars) have to dye their chest hair? That must be onerous!

The reality is that if you relied on your youthful beauty to get roles, plastic surgery isn't going to turn back the clock. There is an endless stream of hot young women in Hollywood. Not saying that the pressure to have 'work' done isn't huge, but I don't think it helps with getting work beyond some 'maintenance' work. Hollywood is a brutal place, especially for women.

I think these women think that the duck face and permanently shocked look is something that's going to happen to others, and that they'll just look 'refreshed' and 15 years younger. Sadly, it rarely turns out that way.

I suppose it's hard for us to imagine what it's like to age as a woman in Hollywood. By the time you're 35 you no longer get the top roles. So the pressure to have 'just a tweak' must be so tempting. I suppose with Kristin Davis she thought 'shit, everyone's going to be comparing me to how I looked in the last SATC film 10 years ago, so if I get these fillers that might help...'

Kirstin Davies looks like a different woman.

Courtney Cox was and CZJ all great bone structure, beautiful women who would have aged well yet all of them are barely recognisable now.